Are humid continental climates underrated? (seasons, humidity, history, America)
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You can ignore the data all you want, but the tables show that Chicago is warmer than Christchurch, often much more so, for 5 months of the year, has similar temperatures for 2 and is colder for 5.
Summer (F)
Chicago average highs:
81, 85, 83
Christchurch:
70, 73, 72
Winner, Chicago, 3 months.
Autumn
Chicago:
77, 64, 50
Christchurch:
69, 64, 58
Tie - Chicago/Christchurch both 1 month.
Winter
Chicago:
38, 33, 37
Christchurch:
53, 53, 54
Winner - Christchurch 3 months.
Spring
Chicago:
48, 60, 72
Christchurch:
59, 62, 67
About a tie. 1 month warmer CH, 1 month about the same, 1 month warmer CHI
Do I need to break it down any more for you Joe? You continually lie about American climates because you have some kind of anti-American inferiority complex on the topic. And you display a degree of anti-Americanism in the other forums on City-Data.
No, Chicago does not have “cool to cold majority weather”. You need to accept this, stop lying, be an actually honest person, and start looking at climate from a global, objective perspective, rather than from an ignorant “northern South Island New Zealand” perspective.
Winnipeg is a continental climate dominated by cold, as is Moscow, or Duluth, Minnesota. Hence, the Dfb classification, the Siberian continental subtypes, or the subarctic/subarctic continental climates.
You are egregiously wrong, and you continue to lie. I’d like you to apologize and admit how you wrong you are. Please and thank you.
Yep, well there are warmer stations for Christchurch, and colder stations for Chicago. 7 months warmer in the mid South Island and lower South Island, just like my northern South Island location .... which being the place I actually live in, is really the only place I'm interested in for this discussion.
My climate is cool/warm majority weather, and Chicago is cold/cool majority weather - can't see how this can be denied.
I'm very well known for my strong anti American views - I'm actually the treasurer for the local anti American club, and at present am organising a New Year sausage sizzle as a fund raiser, so the club can buy some new US flags for a flag burning ..... actually a sore point with me - many folk in the club are enthusiastic enough to turn up for a flag burning or embassy siege, but where are they when we're doing a sausage sizzle, or a car wash etc?
And yet Christchurch still manages to be almost a full degree Fahrenheit warmer over the course of the year and can grow things that Chicago can only dream of.
The Lincoln Park Conservatory in Chicago grows things that Christchurch can only dream of.
You keep cherry picking as per usual, and your argument fails because you keep ignoring facts to claim that the south is inferior in ecology in some inexact way because there’s deciduous canopy forest in the “warm temperate moist forest” eco region of the inland south.
Ive illustrated and explained how the forests you keep cherry picking winter deciduous pics of belong to the subtropical ecology and climate zone, and I’ve similarly shown that you can cherry pick photos of the same dead, deciduous winter landscapes in any comparable location of subtropical southern China.
You never respond to these posts because you simply don’t have an argument.
The US south is like any comparable subtropical region in East Asia. Sorry, I have to tell it like it is:
TBH, I've never been a huge fan of the Asian subtropics either. I prefer the Southern Hemisphere ones.
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Originally Posted by curleriren
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Also, it wasn’t claimed that this December wasn’t warmer than average for parts of the country (it has yet to be seen if it is “the warmest ever December” for the lower 48, which is just…not looking like the truth, lmao).
Time will tell, but it certainly was shaping up to be the warmest ever a couple of days ago.
It was stated that Chicago has been warmer in the winter than it has been this week, and that this week’s temperatures weren’t higher than average.
But you keep making strawman’s, for some reason.
We'll never know what you said because your posts keep getting deleted but I don't recall you saying anything about "this week". Regardless, it has actually been above average in Chicago every single day this week, sometimes significantly so.
Lmao, no. Christchurch is not naturally evergreen to anywhere NEAR the same extent as the tropical regions of south Florida and Hawaii and you can take your troll posts out of here, please.
This is Christchurch in winter:
That’s “evergreen”?! You’re comparing that to south Florida and Hawaii? Joe, you’re a liar.
I would suggest posting photos of the natural environment, but there isn't really any left around Christchurch.
I would say my region is even more evergreen than Florida, as Florida does have spring deciduous species.
Chicago’s average December high is 38, and this week, the average highs ranges from 19 to 45, with most days in the 20s and 30s. Average.
Chicago’s mean maximum for December and upcoming January is 58 and 53, respectively. Hasn’t been reached this week.
Chicago’s daily December and January means are 32 and 26…this week meets those averages.
Chicago’s average low for December/January: 25 and 20.
This week’s lowest temperatures: 7 and 9. Most frequently in the 20s and 30s.
So explain to me how Chicago has been at all “above average” this week, and in this forecast?
Did you not see the mesonet graphic? High temperatures at O'Hare last 7 days were: 46, 57, 55, 43, 47, 37, 36 Fahrenheit. Minimum temperatures equally above average. The lowest temperature was 26°F on the 26th. Nothing remotely close to 7 degrees.
Every single day this week above average.
Every. Single. Day. This. Week. Above. Average.
Is there another Chicago? Maybe you're taking about the musical???
So 5 out of 7 days above normal and the average for week also above normal (slightly--it's basically a draw).
Why are you arguing about weather that hasn't even happened yet? None of this changes the fact that for the past week and the past month Chicago, along with most of the lower 48, has been way above average.
I didn’t say it didn’t have deciduous species. It clearly has a lot less in proportion to its evergreen species than South Island New Zealand does.
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Joe will be able to answer better than me but I believe most of those deciduous trees in your photos of Christchurch are not native. As for native flora in New Zealand:
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Approximately 28 species (4.8%) of the New Zealand woody flora have a marked loss of leaves in winter. Only 11 species are consistently fully winter deciduous (adults are entirely leafless, or nearly so, towards the end of winter) although juvenile plants in some populations may retain significant foliage during the winter. ...
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