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Old 06-10-2023, 12:38 AM
 
Location: Perth, Australia
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Belgrade 1981-2010 had 2111.9 sunshine hours, 139 days with precipitation, and 690.9 mm of precipitation. For 1991-2020 sunshine hours are 2020.3, days with precipitation 138.2, and amount of precipitation 698.9 mm.

Novi Sad 1981-2010 had 2135.3 sunshine hours, 132 days with precipitation, and 647.3 mm of precipitation. For 1991-2020 sunshine hours are 2217.7, days with precipitation 130.8, and amount of precipitation 675.8 mm.

In the latest referent period Belgrade is cloudier and little wetter than in the previous one. Novi Sad is sunnier but wetter in the latest referent period than in the previous. The distance between Belgrade and Novi Sad is less than 100 km.
Those differences are less than 100 hours either way which Is what would one would expect as there will always be some variance measuring in 30 year intervals however the reality your data shows that in over 50 years there is a 90 hour difference in sunshine hours annually with those stations. That's not much difference. When those changes remain consistent over a longer period however we can then easily say that it Is getting sunnier or cloudier.
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Old 06-10-2023, 12:43 AM
 
Location: Perth, Australia
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The Global Warming panickers never have actual evidence. It’s always fear and emotion. It’s always “may happen.” As any lawyer will tell you a question that starts with “is it possible?” is met with it objection that “anything is possible.”

I remember in high school in October 1972 we had an unseasonably early snowfall. I wanted to ask my weather club teacher whether or not muskox would be pawing the ground in Central Park. As it turns out, it was the least snowy winter New York City has ever had until this past winter. It would have been a stupid question.
To be fair it's not as bad as some of the theories going out there from the mainstream media. Just a few years ago the BBC and Guardian claimed Northern Europe would be more like Southern Europe in a few decades. That's like a 5°C difference lol.

It is just the randomness of the cities the poster put out and given I have been following a few of them especially the one I live in, it was incorrect. Though as Joe pointed out Moteuka has recorded less sunshine hours than in previous decades though this may not be weather related. For neutral purposes however I'll just assume this new data is correct so the poster was right about Moteuka. Not sure what else they may be right about however, definitely not about Perth and Sydney lol
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Old 06-10-2023, 12:47 AM
 
Location: Corryong (Northeast Victoria)
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The only solution anyone offers is to dial back to a lower standard of living. There is no assurance:
  1. That other countries less "enlightened" will go along; or
  2. That if we do it will have any effect other than helping us feel good.
I agree wholeheartedly-- climate 'policy' is nothing short of delusional. It's almost entirely a feel-good pat on the back, as even if every country on Earth were to halt emissions (including heavy hitters like China and India), it would not do a damned thing as we are well past the tipping point.

We are at the absolute mercy of the atmosphere. Mother Nature has Her ways of forcefully returning balance to said atmosphere; and Her retribution will be terrible. The end of civilisation as we know it.
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Old 06-10-2023, 12:48 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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To be fair it's not as bad as some of the theories going out there from the mainstream media. Just a few years ago the BBC and Guardian claimed Northern Europe would be more like Southern Europe in a few decades. That's like a 5°C difference lol.

It is just the randomness of the cities the poster put out and given I have been following a few of them especially the one I live in, it was incorrect. Though as Joe pointed out Moteuka has recorded less sunshine hours than in previous decades though this may not be weather related. For neutral purposes however I'll just assume this new data is correct so the poster was right about Moteuka. Not sure what else they may be right about however, definitely not about Perth and Sydney lol
Obviously some people like to panic. They pine for the days that Mommy and Daddy tucked them into bed and assured them that everything would be OK in the morning.
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I agree wholeheartedly-- climate 'policy' is nothing short of delusional. It's almost entirely a feel-good pat on the back, as even if every country on Earth were to halt emissions (including heavy hitters like China and India), it would not do a damned thing as we are well past the tipping point. We are at the absolute mercy of the atmosphere.
And always have been.
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Old 06-10-2023, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Syrmia, Northern Serbia, near 45 N
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Those differences are less than 100 hours either way which Is what would one would expect as there will always be some variance measuring in 30 year intervals however the reality your data shows that in over 50 years there is a 90 hour difference in sunshine hours annually with those stations. That's not much difference. When those changes remain consistent over a longer period however we can then easily say that it Is getting sunnier or cloudier.
I see.

In Serbia almost all stations had more precipitation in 1991-2020 than in 1961-1991 referent period. As for sunshine hours some stations had more in 1961-1991 and some in 1991-2020.

Novi Sad in 1961-1991 had 577 mm of precipitation and 2042 sunshine hours, and in 1991-2020 as i said 676 mm of precipitation and 2218 sunshine hours.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Нови-Сад#Климат
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novi_Sad#Climate
Difference of 98 mm in precipitation and 176 sunshine hours between two referent periods is not so small.

I can't find currently sunshine hours for Belgrade in 1961-1991.

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Old 06-10-2023, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Trondheim, Norway - 63 N
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Scandinavia has generally got sunnier in 1991-2020 compared to 1961-1990.

Might also be linked to less aerosols.
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Old 06-10-2023, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Perth, Australia
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Scandinavia has generally got sunnier in 1991-2020 compared to 1961-1990.

Might also be linked to less aerosols.
Yea that completely slipped my mind. Less pollution I would imagine would no doubt increase the amount of sunshine many places recievd especially in more densely populated cities such as London and Paris
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Old 06-10-2023, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Perth, Australia
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I see.

In Serbia almost all stations had more precipitation in 1991-2020 than in 1961-1991 referent period. As for sunshine hours some stations had more in 1961-1991 and some in 1991-2020.

Novi Sad in 1961-1991 had 577 mm of precipitation and 2042 sunshine hours, and in 1991-2020 as i said 676 mm of precipitation and 2218 sunshine hours.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Нови-Сад#Климат
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novi_Sad#Climate
Difference of 98 mm in precipitation and 176 sunshine hours between two referent periods is not so small.

I can't find currently sunshine hours for Belgrade in 1961-1991.
That data of Novi Sad does Clealry show it is getting progressively sunnier. That's quite a decent jump in terms of sunshine
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Old 06-10-2023, 09:21 AM
 
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Also Christchurch is now like 2150 hours of sunshine. That's 100 hours more than the last data that was available for it so all these places are getting sunnier. I'd say it's similar in other parts of the world
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Also just looking at the Met service just for this year as I couldn't be bothered counting manually for several years but London in the last year recieved over 1750 hours of sunshine so again sunnier than it's average of around 1650. I can't find anywhere that isn't sunnier lol
Hey folks, as the OP keeps mentioning, he's talking about 'in the future' stuff, not what's happening now or last year......
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Old 06-10-2023, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Perth, Australia
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Hey folks, as the OP keeps mentioning, he's talking about 'in the future' stuff, not what's happening now or last year......
The warming that is meant to be bringing out these changes in the future has been happening for decades so we should be able to see how it has progressed over the years which gives us a good indicator into what it will be like in the Future but as we can see many places are becoming even sunnier not cloudier. Certain places are also becoming wetter yes but others are becoming drier
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