Charles Town casino games here. Effect? (Parkersburg, Wheeling: city hall, crime, how much)
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WVa has 4 locations that now offer table games in addition to slots and horse racing. Charles Town is actually 2 years behind the curve. Wheeling, Mountain View and Charleston each approved table games by referendum 2 years ago and have been quite popular. Charles Town failed to pass it at that time and when it came up for vote again this past November, the prospect of 500 new jobs in a down economy was a no-brainer.
There are currently no plans for more than 4 gaming licenses in WVa. There are a lot of rumors that Donald Trump wants to open a hotel/casino in Charles Town, also, but he can't get a license from WVa Gaming at this point. Given that Charles Town can tap 5 of the 10 richest counties in the USA for customers, this is not going to be a "flash-in-the-pan" boom.
It didn't pass the first time because they weren't giving enough money to the horsemen so we all went against it. The second time they sweetened the pot and it passed.
Never happen. Other then Greenbriar (an exception) all other sites have live racing which I believe is required by law. Allowing it in other counties thins the product and wouldn't be good.
Nah, I'm saying that the places out of state that ends up losing this money to WV will legalize gambling to keep the people at home.
It could well be that other states will follow suit. I know the Md legislators are starting to, slots only I believe, but all of that will take time. Meanwhile, I remain convinced that at least for a few years, we will attract more people willing to spend money here, which can only help. And, since most folks around and within the Beltway have absolutely no idea that WV is so close, (50 minutes from CT to Dulles on a good day) lots more of them will wind up visiting sites like Harpers Ferry, Shepherdstown, the Appalachian Trail and the Tow Path, some of the effects will last.
I can imagine the growth that would occur in WV with more casinos, but I'm not sure any of you that live there would like it, so one casino at a time is probably the way to ease into gaming. I really hate what the building boom did to Las Vegas over the past 20 years. It ruined a lot of what we took for granted. But, it gave us a lot of "things" we never had before, not that we really needed them. I'd just hate to see all those beautiful hills in WV blacktopped over, overcrowded, and covered with houses and shopping centers. And I doubt if any of you can imagine the traffic unless you've lived in a major city before.
Also there would be a steep learning curve in getting into the service industry that West Virginians would have to suffer through. A lot of inherited attitudes would have to change and it would be a really upsetting time for most of you as you just aren't used to millions of tourists invading your country and demanding things you wouldn't believe. Think about the waitress in Charles Town and multiply her attitude and ignorance by about a million.
BTW: I don't know if it closed somewhere along the line, but the Greenbrier always used to have a casino when I was growing up in WV. I know that my uncles played there ...or maybe uncle Roy ran the dam* thing for all I know.[/quote]
Really, when did the Greenbrier have gambling?
We can imagine a lot of things. Some of us have the movin' picture machines and have seen the big gamblin' places.
I am curious what the bill states that was passed but if I remember correctly when I voted it was ONLY for CTRS to get the table games in C'Town so no other entity could get it in Jeff Co without a revote on that one as well. I think that is what it said.
Also, not sure if it has been discussed but Greenbrier opened their "underground" casino over the weekend as well which the voters approved...they had a heck of a gathering of elite there.
I can imagine the growth that would occur in WV with more casinos, but I'm not sure any of you that live there would like it, so one casino at a time is probably the way to ease into gaming. I really hate what the building boom did to Las Vegas over the past 20 years. It ruined a lot of what we took for granted. But, it gave us a lot of "things" we never had before, not that we really needed them. I'd just hate to see all those beautiful hills in WV blacktopped over, overcrowded, and covered with houses and shopping centers. And I doubt if any of you can imagine the traffic unless you've lived in a major city before.
Also there would be a steep learning curve in getting into the service industry that West Virginians would have to suffer through. A lot of inherited attitudes would have to change and it would be a really upsetting time for most of you as you just aren't used to millions of tourists invading your country and demanding things you wouldn't believe. Think about the waitress in Charles Town and multiply her attitude and ignorance by about a million.
BTW: I don't know if it closed somewhere along the line, but the Greenbrier always used to have a casino when I was growing up in WV. I know that my uncles played there ...or maybe uncle Roy ran the dam* thing for all I know.
Really, when did the Greenbrier have gambling?
We can imagine a lot of things. Some of us have the movin' picture machines and have seen the big gamblin' places.[/quote]
During the 30's, 40's, and 50's, and probably at least into the 60's, there was gambling at the Greenbrier. During the late 50's or early 60's is when I became aware of it. They no longer even deny it. The Greenbrier Magazine: Autumn 2009
I know West Virginians aren't totally out of it, nor are they totally unsophisticated, but they are limited, like everybody else, by experiences they've never had.
I was born and raised there, and I visit there quite often, and West Virginians visit me in Las Vegas, so we talk. I also have been out to eat, stayed in hotels, and depended on service people there, so I know from comparing them to major resorts that they don't have the expertise yet to serve millions of tourists.
West Virginians (and I include myself) have (or 'had' in my case) no idea what it's like for millions of visitors to descend on us every month (3.5 million monthly here). Nor do they know what it's like to have a couple million more outsiders, all with big plans to correct your "hillbilly ways", and do things their way from now on, invade within a few short years, and take over. There are zero towns in West Virginia that qualify as big cities. And for reasons I've never understood, probably half of West Virginians have never even been across the state line more than once or twice, if at all. And yes, I make no apologies for this: that implies they lack the sophistication to be service providers ...right away. They also, if you're honest, do not have the temperament for it.
There are no traffic problems there that compare to those in LA, or New York, or even here in Vegas. In the mid to late 1960's Las Vegas was a small town with just under 200,000 people, but was still the primary population center of the 7th largest state (4½ x the size of WV) which had less than 500,000. Lot of empty space here.
From its beginning in 1905, this town grew steadily, but in the late 1980's, it was still only about 400,000. Then people in LA discovered that they could sell the homes they had bought for maybe $40,000, and get over $300,000 for them. They discovered they could move to Vegas a few hours away, and use their huge profit to buy a home for $125,000 cash, pocket the rest, and be done with big city problems.
None of the idiots noticed that those $125,000 homes were only worth about $80,000 by then, and by all of them moving here they were bringing their big city problems with them, and unloading them on us. But they kept coming, and like even dumber idiots, we kept building over 3,000 new homes a month, for the next 20 years, until Las Vegas reached 2 million population. That was right before the bubble burst. Now we have 14½% unemployment.
Try keeping an infrastructure up with that kind of growth. It was estimated that we were adding 100 MORE CARS PER DAY for 20 years to an already over loaded highway system. Our roads were built to handle less than half the cars we had on them. Our land is basically flat and empty so it's not hard for our roads to be seven lanes wide or more. Try building, in those hills, the kind of roads a small state like West Virginia would need for an invasion like that, and do it in just a few years.
Like I said, you don't know what traffic is ...yet. Be careful what you wish for is all I'm sayin'.
We can imagine a lot of things. Some of us have the movin' picture machines and have seen the big gamblin' places.
During the 30's, 40's, and 50's, and probably at least into the 60's, there was gambling at the Greenbrier. During the late 50's or early 60's is when I became aware of it. They no longer even deny it. The Greenbrier Magazine: Autumn 2009
I know West Virginians aren't totally out of it, nor are they totally unsophisticated, but they are limited, like everybody else, by experiences they've never had.
I was born and raised there, and I visit there quite often, and West Virginians visit me in Las Vegas, so we talk. I also have been out to eat, stayed in hotels, and depended on service people there, so I know from comparing them to major resorts that they don't have the expertise yet to serve millions of tourists.
West Virginians (and I include myself) have (or 'had' in my case) no idea what it's like for millions of visitors to descend on us every month (3.5 million monthly here). Nor do they know what it's like to have a couple million more outsiders, all with big plans to correct your "hillbilly ways", and do things their way from now on, invade within a few short years, and take over. There are zero towns in West Virginia that qualify as big cities. And for reasons I've never understood, probably half of West Virginians have never even been across the state line more than once or twice, if at all. And yes, I make no apologies for this: that implies they lack the sophistication to be service providers ...right away. They also, if you're honest, do not have the temperament for it.
There are no traffic problems there that compare to those in LA, or New York, or even here in Vegas. In the mid to late 1960's Las Vegas was a small town with just under 200,000 people, but was still the primary population center of the 7th largest state (4½ x the size of WV) which had less than 500,000. Lot of empty space here.
From its beginning in 1905, this town grew steadily, but in the late 1980's, it was still only about 400,000. Then people in LA discovered that they could sell the homes they had bought for maybe $40,000, and get over $300,000 for them. They discovered they could move to Vegas a few hours away, and use their huge profit to buy a home for $125,000 cash, pocket the rest, and be done with big city problems.
None of the idiots noticed that those $125,000 homes were only worth about $80,000 by then, and by all of them moving here they were bringing their big city problems with them, and unloading them on us. But they kept coming, and like even dumber idiots, we kept building over 3,000 new homes a month, for the next 20 years, until Las Vegas reached 2 million population. That was right before the bubble burst. Now we have 14½% unemployment.
Try keeping an infrastructure up with that kind of growth. It was estimated that we were adding 100 MORE CARS PER DAY for 20 years to an already over loaded highway system. Our roads were built to handle less than half the cars we had on them. Our land is basically flat and empty so it's not hard for our roads to be seven lanes wide or more. Try building, in those hills, the kind of roads a small state like West Virginia would need for an invasion like that, and do it in just a few years.
Like I said, you don't know what traffic is ...yet. Be careful what you wish for is all I'm sayin'.[/quote]
Its a bad deal for those counties that have gambling because the State takes a disproportionate share of the proceeds even though they bear little of the costs associated with it. They need to change the formula in a major way.
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