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Old 03-03-2012, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Georgia
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Last week was actually pulled over by state trooper for no seat belt...no other problems. Tonight was stopped at a stupid road block they are checking licenses again state troopers blocking traffic on the freaking off ramp...I am shocked there was no wreck! What the heck is going in here? I have been coming to Western NC for 5 years and this is new to me.Don't yall feel violated? I mean I didn't do anything wrong I shouldn't have to deal with some stormtrooper checking my license when I had not even been pulled over....christ sakes...I was actually considering moving to NC to.
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Old 03-03-2012, 08:53 PM
 
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where in Georgia are you from ? I'm in Georgia too, and what you are describing is not that uncommon in parts of Georgia either.
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Old 03-03-2012, 10:48 PM
 
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Yep, NC Law Enforcement has been actively enforcing seat-belt laws for years now.

The road blocks they run are most often DUI check points, often with a number of DUI arrests, also people wanted on warrants, people that have had their driving privileges revoked, and people under the delusion they will never be in a wreck and need

I was a volunteer firefighter/first responder for over 30 years, and I have seen the death and life changing injuries of those through arrogance or ignorance chose not to wear their lifesaving seat belt. There is no valid reason not to, there is also no reason that a 25 MPH accident becomes a fatal accident, but I have responded to them, for the simple reason they didn't buckle up. That sucks for those that cared for them, as dead last a long long time.

You may be the absolute best driver in the world, with reflexes faster than a ninja, but if someone runs a stop sign and T-Bone's you, your driving skills and superhuman reflexes mean nothing, but wearing a seat belt will.

OBTW, you should also know the laws of your own state, which states;
"Police officers can pull over a driver if they suspect that a vehicle occupant is not wearing their seat belt."


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Old 03-04-2012, 01:52 AM
 
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Last week was actually pulled over by state trooper for no seat belt...no other problems.

Tonight was stopped at a stupid road block they are checking licenses again state troopers blocking traffic on the freaking off ramp...I am shocked there was no wreck! What the heck is going in here? I have been coming to Western NC for 5 years and this is new to me.

Don't yall feel violated? I mean I didn't do anything wrong I shouldn't have to deal with some storm trooper checking my license when I had not even been pulled over....christ sakes...I was actually considering moving to NC to.
Your being pulled over for no seat belt is one thing, but road blocks are another.

Yes, I do feel violated by road blocks now that you mention it, because it conflicts with our Bill of Rights. I guess that document was never meant to be taken seriously and was just written for giggles.

This happens constantly in North Georgia too.

Opinion: Why Are DUI Sobriety Checkpoints Constitutional?
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Old 03-04-2012, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Weaverville
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You will find more and more intrusion in your private life as more and more people believe it is their duty to protect you from yourself. The government is more than happy to oblige since it means increased revenue . Seatbelt tickets were originally issued only when another violation was present but they never just stop there. Those little black boxes that insurance companys offer for reduced rates will be the next big thing for government to play with.
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Old 03-04-2012, 12:34 PM
 
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Default Driving is a Privilege, Not a Right

It is common misconception that any person in the United States has a right to drive. There is no such right in the US Constitution. Driving a motor vehicle is a privilege, a privilege that is earned by passing a knowledge and driving exam, and that privilege can be taken away or modified based on certain conduct, including several issues surrounding drunk driving cases.

We all have a Constitutional right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, but not to drive.

I also think it is important that responsible drivers be protected from the irresponsible drivers that drink and drive or engage in other irresponsible behaviors while sharing the public highways.
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Old 03-04-2012, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Winston-Salem
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It is common misconception that any person in the United States has a right to drive. There is no such right in the US Constitution. Driving a motor vehicle is a privilege, a privilege that is earned by passing a knowledge and driving exam, and that privilege can be taken away or modified based on certain conduct, including several issues surrounding drunk driving cases.

We all have a Constitutional right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, but not to drive.

I also think it is important that responsible drivers be protected from the irresponsible drivers that drink and drive or engage in other irresponsible behaviors while sharing the public highways.
Amen!
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Old 03-05-2012, 09:58 AM
 
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It is common misconception that any person in the United States has a right to drive. There is no such right in the US Constitution. Driving a motor vehicle is a privilege, a privilege that is earned by passing a knowledge and driving exam, and that privilege can be taken away or modified based on certain conduct, including several issues surrounding drunk driving cases.

We all have a Constitutional right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, but not to drive.

I also think it is important that responsible drivers be protected from the irresponsible drivers that drink and drive or engage in other irresponsible behaviors while sharing the public highways.
The cops already have the authority to stop any driver who seems to be driving under the influence or who isn't wearing a seat belt. That's where it ends.

Once a citizen has done their part and passed the drivers exam, they have done all that the law requires. Being stopped in the absence of any discernible violation, is a violation of our rights. The Bill of Rights does not become null and void the moment we enter our cars.

Fourth Amendment: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized"

There is no "probable cause" at a road block. It's a fishing expedition.

If we can be stopped without evidence we have committed a crime, then we are certainly not "secure in our persons" and freedom is an illusion. And there is no suggestion in the Bill of Rights that those rights are conditional and can be overthrown because maybe it will save a life.

As Benjamin Franklin said ... "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

I agree with Ben.

Recently, a soldier returning from Iraq said he supposedly went there to "protect our freedoms", yet he came home to a country that is much less free than when he left. It's a sad day when Americans are not willing to stand up for the rights we were given by the founding fathers.
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Old 03-05-2012, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Up above the world so high!
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Last week was actually pulled over by state trooper for no seat belt...no other problems. Tonight was stopped at a stupid road block they are checking licenses again state troopers blocking traffic on the freaking off ramp...I am shocked there was no wreck! What the heck is going in here? I have been coming to Western NC for 5 years and this is new to me.Don't yall feel violated? I mean I didn't do anything wrong I shouldn't have to deal with some stormtrooper checking my license when I had not even been pulled over....christ sakes...I was actually considering moving to NC to.
These kinds of traffic checks are common, especially in smaller towns and cities not only in western NC but southern Virginia too.

Not wearing a seat belt IS a violation of the law.

When drivers are too foolish to wear one, we all pay the price in higher insurance premiums when they go through their windshields in a crash.

I only ever feel "violated" when I have to share breathing space with those kinds of people
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Old 03-05-2012, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Weaverville
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These kinds of traffic checks are common, especially in smaller towns and cities not only in western NC but southern Virginia too.

Not wearing a seat belt IS a violation of the law.

When drivers are too foolish to wear one, we all pay the price in higher insurance premiums when they go through their windshields in a crash.

I only ever feel "violated" when I have to share breathing space with those kinds of people
If higher insurance premiums are the criteria for laws to be made then I would suggest laws forbidding smoking, drinking, being overweight, working with power tools and mountain climbing.
We are "violated" every day by those who think they know whats best for you and are willing to have their beliefs made into law.
Overbearing folks like this are better suited for the ministry.
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