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Old 04-11-2012, 06:26 AM
 
Location: property tax hell
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I would argue: no. If an employer fails to offer health coverage or benefits, that means the cost of any on-the-job injuries you accrue are dumped on your lap. And that could get extremely expensive, very quickly (in the US, anyway). You could actually get yourself stuck in a debt-trap by doing such a thing, and your job would end up being a liability.

I've noticed some employers whining about "lazy employees," but then it comes out that the job doesn't even include health coverage - so, really, why should employees strain themselves when the cost of that strain is going to fall entirely upon their shoulders? I get the sense that more and more employees are behaving in accord with this principle.
That's pretty lame. In essence, you're justifying your effort (or lack thereof) on something you think you are entitled to.. but was never part of the contract/offer?

So...is it okay for a contractor to do shoddy work on your house because you didn't provide them with food and drinks?
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Old 04-11-2012, 06:49 AM
 
Location: NJ
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annerk"You are either lazy, stupid, or mentally unstable. "

Not necessarily or, could be and. LOL!
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Old 04-11-2012, 07:55 AM
 
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Yeah, those people are dumb as....a fox.
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Old 04-11-2012, 08:34 AM
 
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Yeah, those people are dumb as....a fox.
A/K/A they are lazy.
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Old 04-11-2012, 09:15 AM
 
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annerk"You are either lazy, stupid, or mentally unstable. "

Not necessarily or, could be and. LOL!
Gotta love the sociopath circle jerks
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Old 04-11-2012, 09:18 AM
 
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I would argue: no. If an employer fails to offer health coverage or benefits, that means the cost of any on-the-job injuries you accrue are dumped on your lap.
You still get Worker's Compensation do you not? I say it depends on how badly you need the job. It's an employer's market and they hold the cards.
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Old 04-11-2012, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Woodinville
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Here's my take on jobs in general. No matter how hard the job is, how terrible the compensation, how lacking the benefits, work HARD. When you accepted the job, you pledged to work hard for your employer. Do it. If the job is not to your liking, start looking for something else. However, work hard from the first day to the last. Your effort shouldn't be dependent on your compensation. If you decide to find something new, leave on good terms. You were informed of compensation and benefits before taking the job and you still agreed to work, so work hard. If you're unhappy it's unethical to purposely penalize the employer because you agreed to the terms of employment.

In my view, the only way you should penalize the employer is with your own departure to something better.
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Old 04-11-2012, 09:48 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Could not agree more, Garfunkle524. Those who whine or slow down, by the way, are also indicating to the employer no one wants THEM who would offer more. Now isn't that a lovely image to present of yourself.
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Old 04-11-2012, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Austin
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I would argue: no. If an employer fails to offer health coverage or benefits, that means the cost of any on-the-job injuries you accrue are dumped on your lap. And that could get extremely expensive, very quickly (in the US, anyway). You could actually get yourself stuck in a debt-trap by doing such a thing, and your job would end up being a liability.

I've noticed some employers whining about "lazy employees," but then it comes out that the job doesn't even include health coverage - so, really, why should employees strain themselves when the cost of that strain is going to fall entirely upon their shoulders? I get the sense that more and more employees are behaving in accord with this principle.
Employers have the RIGHT to offer it or not. YOU have the right to work for them or someone else. So, it really comes down to your personal work ethic. I wouldn't do ANY job unless I do it 100%. But then, I do care about more than "what's in it for me!"
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Old 04-11-2012, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Austin
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If you don't like your job, your employer, your coworker, or your benefits, find another job. Purposely injuring yourself on the job--or even threatening to--shows your true colors. You are either lazy, stupid, or mentally unstable. I'll allow you to choose which best describes yourself.
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