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Old 03-05-2013, 08:07 PM
 
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I am not able to find it. Heck if I remember what I googled to get it...but here is a link to the Bureau in general. I will keep looking and post when I find it.
It doesn't matter what site your googled response came from; your stats disprove your claim that "African American's often have a statistically higher criminal history and conviction rate than other groups. It is possible that there is a disparate impact on the group because of the policy and that is an issue."

You claimed this: "And, if you look up the statistics by race, there are, I can guarantee you, NOT as many while applicants turned down for the reason."

And then you went on to provide stats that refute your own claim.

According to stats you provided, more than 50% of white applicants would be excluded while less than 50% of black applicants would be excluded.

So what is the "legitimate discrimination issue" for blacks?
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Old 03-05-2013, 08:32 PM
 
Location: California
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I applaud any employer who protects their customers from having to deal with criminals. Not to mention the fact that many employees give the credit card an extra "swipe". If I don't feel safe in any retail facility I refuse to shop there, so, I hope Target continues to stand up for their own interests and that of the public. Why would I give my credit card info to a crook????
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Old 03-05-2013, 09:25 PM
 
Location: California
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It doesn't matter what site your googled response came from; your stats disprove your claim that "African American's often have a statistically higher criminal history and conviction rate than other groups. It is possible that there is a disparate impact on the group because of the policy and that is an issue."

You claimed this: "And, if you look up the statistics by race, there are, I can guarantee you, NOT as many while applicants turned down for the reason."

And then you went on to provide stats that refute your own claim.

According to stats you provided, more than 50% of white applicants would be excluded while less than 50% of black applicants would be excluded.

So what is the "legitimate discrimination issue" for blacks?
Look up disparate impact. When you understand it, you will also see the issue. From your response, it is clear that you do not understand the legal term you are trying to take apart.
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Old 03-05-2013, 09:27 PM
 
Location: southern california
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the underlying card in the new employment game is EEOC.
if you can convince a judge that they did not hire you bek you are black not bek u r a criminal u have a case.
for the employer its awful. they sue u if you dont hire. they sue you for hiring them and not promoting fast enough or firing them for incompetence.
either way u get sued.
you have no idea how much damage this wide spread practice does to minority hiring.
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Old 03-05-2013, 09:27 PM
 
Location: California
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I applaud any employer who protects their customers from having to deal with criminals. Not to mention the fact that many employees give the credit card an extra "swipe". If I don't feel safe in any retail facility I refuse to shop there, so, I hope Target continues to stand up for their own interests and that of the public. Why would I give my credit card info to a crook????
You do realize that you probably give your credit card to a crook all the time, right? 7 years after a conviction they don't even show on the background report.

So, remember, next time you hand your card to someone, you have no way of knowing if they have a record and, most likely, neither does the company who hired them.
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Old 03-05-2013, 09:31 PM
 
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I'm not sure how blacks are targeted more because of criminal convictions?

What if no whites were hired because they had criminal backrounds?

I think the credit issue hurts blacks more than crminal convictions.

This goes back to At will employment.....they can rescind any employment offer they want.
If Target wanted to,they didn't even have to tell her why they rescinded the offer.
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Old 03-05-2013, 09:32 PM
 
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Its only for certain professions I guess.
For nurses they look into your psych history,criminal convictions past 7 years,and they do fingerprinting.
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Old 03-05-2013, 09:33 PM
 
Location: California
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I'm not sure how blacks are targeted more because of criminal convictions?

It is called disparate impact. Google it.

What if no whites were hired because they had criminal backrounds?

I think the credit issue hurts blacks more than crminal convictions.

And, that is also covered under the FCRA making it illegal in many circumstances to use credit to make a job decision.


This goes back to At will employment

Completely wrong.

.....they can rescind any employment offer they want.

Couldn't be more wrong. Try actually reading the FCRA (the FEDERAL LAW that governs background checks)

If Target wanted to,they didn't even have to tell her why they rescinded the offer.

Also illegal. Once you have a job offer if you decide to rescind it, you DO have to give a reason. The other option is to allow the person to start working for you and then fire them after their first shift...which will open the company up to lawsuits for obviously trying to get around the disclosure on the background results.

Also, in many states you have the legal right to request a copy of the consumer report.
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Wow.

Try looking up the law. You complain about the law as written when you discuss at-will employment. When you want, you then rewrite the laws to make your point.
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Old 03-05-2013, 09:38 PM
 
Location: California
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Its only for certain professions I guess.
For nurses they look into your psych history,criminal convictions past 7 years,and they do fingerprinting.
And, wait for it, the process is governed by the FCRA laws.
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Old 03-06-2013, 05:36 AM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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Let's not forget, the most intelligent criminals will have no record at all! They're the ones you really have to watch out for!!!

They're the ones who have to suppress a side-splitting laugh when asked if it's OK to do a background check on them or take their fingerprints, or even take a lie detector test!!! Hee-Hee-Hah-hah!!!
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