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Old 06-19-2013, 10:48 AM
 
Location: WI
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I try to buy USA-made whenever possible, but the reality is this practice alone is just avoiding the ultimate truth. It's a new global economy, and there's nothing we nor our politicians can do to change it. Blame NAFTA all you want (and it certainly deserves early blame for our current situation), but with the advent of high-speed internet/cable, globalization was inevitable. The solution is to stop holding onto our low-skilled, industrial past and educate our children to make them viable in the 21st century so they don't get left behind.
We will always have a need for low-skilled workers to stock shelves, cut lawns and wash dishes at restaurants (or operate the machines that do), etc. Plus not everyone has the means or desire for education. What happens when even more people spend years and money to be educated and yet cannot find a job? With Obamacare and the immigration reform, it will be worse.

Where is the outrage over the unemployment issues? Why are people not taking a stand?
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Old 06-19-2013, 11:27 AM
 
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Getting rid of jobs will only hurt us, because not everybody is cut out to do the same thing. Apparently the masses think everyone should be a doctor or a lawyer, when the truth is not everyone will have the abilities to become one. Nevermind the fact that nobody is interested in training anybody or helping anybody. You can just read some of the responses towards the unemployed on this forum for a quick sampling of that. People just call each other lazy and engage in the false left-right paradigm. Nobody "works together" as they put it.
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Old 06-19-2013, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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We will always have a need for low-skilled workers to stock shelves, cut lawns and wash dishes at restaurants (or operate the machines that do), etc. Plus not everyone has the means or desire for education. What happens when even more people spend years and money to be educated and yet cannot find a job? With Obamacare and the immigration reform, it will be worse.

Where is the outrage over the unemployment issues? Why are people not taking a stand?
Well sure, those jobs have always been there and always will. Everyone has the means for an education, but the desire is a different story. I live in the same area as the OP, and people here are still begging politicians to somehow bring back the low-skilled manufacturing jobs which have left for China. Talk about living in the past. Immigration is still necessary for the lowest and highest end jobs in this country, which Americans either have not or have been unwilling to fill.
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Old 06-19-2013, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Illinois
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We will always have a need for low-skilled workers to stock shelves, cut lawns and wash dishes at restaurants (or operate the machines that do), etc. Plus not everyone has the means or desire for education. What happens when even more people spend years and money to be educated and yet cannot find a job? With Obamacare and the immigration reform, it will be worse.

Where is the outrage over the unemployment issues? Why are people not taking a stand?
People voted for the status quo in 2012.
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Old 06-19-2013, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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Well sure, those jobs have always been there and always will. Everyone has the means for an education, but the desire is a different story. I live in the same area as the OP, and people here are still begging politicians to somehow bring back the low-skilled manufacturing jobs which have left for China. Talk about living in the past. Immigration is still necessary for the lowest and highest end jobs in this country, which Americans either have not or have been unwilling to fill.
Americans have to pay taxes on the pittance employers are willing to pay illegal aliens ... the illegal aliens don't, plus they can put their women (via their citizen offspring) on welfare, foodstamps, and housing assistance to make up for the difference. Seems to me the system is gamed against Americans and American taxpayers simply cannot afford to work for what employers can get away with paying immigrants. When Americans don't have to pay taxes on those wages, then call them unwilling.
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Old 06-19-2013, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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People voted for the status quo in 2012.
Yeah but it was against a worse choice ... a billionaire who swears corporations ARE people and who was sworn and determined to destroy the middle class even more than Obama. Talk about between a rock and a hard place.
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Old 06-19-2013, 08:35 PM
 
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Well sure, those jobs have always been there and always will. Everyone has the means for an education, but the desire is a different story. I live in the same area as the OP, and people here are still begging politicians to somehow bring back the low-skilled manufacturing jobs which have left for China. Talk about living in the past. Immigration is still necessary for the lowest and highest end jobs in this country, which Americans either have not or have been unwilling to fill.
No, there are plenty of Americans available to fill the current positions. Perhaps if employers started paying their workers more than starvation wages, provided training, got rid of ridiculous employee selection policies (which screen out perfectly qualified employees), then there would be no phony worker shortage. It's economics 101, if there's a "labor shortage," then that means you are not paying a high enough wage.
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Old 06-19-2013, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Corona the I.E.
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No, there are plenty of Americans available to fill the current positions. Perhaps if employers started paying their workers more than starvation wages, provided training, got rid of ridiculous employee selection policies (which screen out perfectly qualified employees), then there would be no phony worker shortage. It's economics 101, if there's a "labor shortage," then that means you are not paying a high enough wage.
It's nice to know there are some that get it.
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Old 06-20-2013, 06:36 AM
 
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I m thinking to leave USA forever... got other euro passport so I m not tight to USA.

many countries where u can live for 10x less money than USA or Europe.

instead to buy house in USA, keep money, and get a life in cheaper countries.

yes, we scan... Obama scares, who cares?
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Old 06-20-2013, 07:12 AM
 
Location: WI
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No, there are plenty of Americans available to fill the current positions. Perhaps if employers started paying their workers more than starvation wages, provided training, got rid of ridiculous employee selection policies (which screen out perfectly qualified employees), then there would be no phony worker shortage. It's economics 101, if there's a "labor shortage," then that means you are not paying a high enough wage.
Great post!!
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