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LOL - how old "were" "you" when "you" "got" "pregnant"? Because I have a tough time believing a real parent would not care if the company chose to illegally hire their child!
1.) If it is illegal, your child cannot do this. The "company" again would lack ethics to do things the responsible way and again proves my point that what kind of sketchy company hires and grooms middle school children?
2.) If you want your child to go to college, they do not care if you held a job or not, nor would I say work is more related to academics than sports are. Academics are academics. Work is work.
3.) There are enough able-bodied legal hires that they could make.... which again begs the question, "Why go through all of this?"
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Parents of children wanting to work - do not let your child work for a place that will not follow the labor laws that were put in place to protect your child.
Is there some force field that will prevent my child from taking the job? We find it puzzling on here as to how people literally worship the law. "The law says this and so it shall be so."
Have you ever had a parking ticket, sped, or drank under 21? If so, then you are just as "criminal" as you are labelling us.
We would never want someone to do something irresponsible with our child, but are confused on what is so different between 13 and 14?
We are also told that working experience is very important for college entrance departments. Is that not true?
We also find it puzzling why you think every law is put in place to protect our children. Parents should have a much better ability to say if their child is capable of doing a job than some empty suit that likes power.
But following the law (if that is true) would still be promoting discrimination, so wouldn't we be undercutting our own credibility?
Should we encourage her to discriminate according to age instead?
No, I would encourage her to follow the laws that were put in place, though. Unless you want your kid to grow up thinking that all laws are fluid and can be broken at whim with no repercussions whatsoever.
Is it age discrimination to not allow a kid to get a learner's permit until 15 even though they're really, really, really "mature" and ready to drive? NO!!!!!! It's the same philosophy. A 13 year old has been deemed to young for the workplace. Would I want my 13 year old to work somewhere where I cannot control the environment? NO!!!!!!!! They're too immature to know if they're being taken advantage of and you can't be there to ensure that doesn't happen. It's different when a kid is 16 when they can tell when an adult is taking advantage of them. There are laws in place that we must follow, even if we don't want to or don't agree with them.
Here's a hint: I am a college-educated member of the labor force. Have been for many years now. Colleges do not care that little Susie held a job. They care that little Susie had a 4.12 GPA, graduated 3/542, had a near perfect SAT score, and developed leadership skills. They care about it in the way of, "Oh, that's nice. GPA is a 2.1? NEXT!"
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No, I would encourage her to follow the laws that were put in place, though. Unless you want your kid to grow up thinking that all laws are fluid and can be broken at whim with no repercussions whatsoever.
Is it age discrimination to not allow a kid to get a learner's permit until 15 even though they're really, really, really "mature" and ready to drive? NO!!!!!! It's the same philosophy. A 13 year old has been deemed to young for the workplace. Would I want my 13 year old to work somewhere where I cannot control the environment? NO!!!!!!!! They're too immature to know if they're being taken advantage of and you can't be there to ensure that doesn't happen. It's different when a kid is 16 when they can tell when an adult is taking advantage of them. There are laws in place that we must follow, even if we don't want to or don't agree with them.
Here's a hint: I am a college-educated member of the labor force. Have been for many years now. Colleges do not care that little Sus ie held a job. They care that little Susie had a 4.12 GPA, graduated 3/542, had a near perfect SAT score, and developed leadership skills. They care about it in the way of, "Oh, that's nice. GPA is a 2.1? NEXT!"
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I would say it is age discrimination to ban a child from driving for age too, but it's harder to get away with that.
Also, there's at least the decent argument that if the child makes a mistake, someone could die. In work, someone isn't going to die if the data is entered wrong. They just get fired.
So you wouldn't want your 13 year old to work somewhere where you cannot control the environment, but it's perfectly fine for your 14 year old to do so?
I wasn't talking about a GPA of 2.1. We don't use GPA's here, so I'll stick to percentages. I'm assuming 4.12 is on a 0-4 scale with extra credit? So that's like a 102% average?
So would a college prefer a 102% average with no jobs and no extra curriculars or a 97% with a job for 5 years?
The question is - why does the fact that this company not follow laws not seem like a huge red flag to you?
I will try really hard to not be snarky, but.... it all comes down to a thing called business ethics. You want your company to act in an ethically responsible and sound manner. Not following laws that are in effect shows you that the place lacks integrity whether or not you personally believe in that law. It shows that they are willing to bend their integrity in this sense.... so what else are they doing?
But following the law (if that is true) would still be promoting discrimination, so wouldn't we be undercutting our own credibility?
Should we encourage her to discriminate according to age instead?
BY DEFINITION, our laws draw the line ("discriminate" if you will) between behaviors that are acceptable and those that are not; between who may engage in certain acts/behaviors/practices and who may not.
By your logic it would be discriminatory to forbid five-year-old children to drive cars, to vote, to use cigarettes and alcoholic beverages, or to practice medicine or dentistry or law. So, if we follow your logic to its natural conclusion, we should encourage them to do so.
You can't get a work permit in California untill you are 15 and a half.
Here is what I want to know:
1. Why would a legitimate business want to hire a 13 year old girl in the first place?
2. Why wouldn't a parent have a problem with that?
3. Why are they going to pay this 13 year old girl way more than minimum wage?
4. Aren't there adults or older teens that could do that job?
What it sounds like to me is a place that wants to "give" the daughter one kind of job but get her working another kind of job alltogether. Recently in our area the Police Department has been warning parents about a scam where a company offers to pay a teen a nice pay check in what would seem to be legitimate work, when it turns out that the job is for child porn. Some of these companies have also delt with trafficing of minors.
As a parent I would want to know everything that goes on with a company that is offering one of my kids a job, especially when the pay sounds so good.
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