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Old 10-01-2014, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Living on the Coast in Oxnard CA
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That's still discrimination.
Who is it disciminating? Who would be hurt by having to wait till they are 35?

Your premise is lacking. Here is the deal. Can kids work? Yes they can. Kids can work when they hit a magic age. Can someone run for President? Yes. All people can run for President as soon as they hit the magic age. No one is being held back and no one is hurt by that action. The same for drinking, smoking (Although that is a dying activity) Voting, driving a car, and many other things that are age restricted. Your child can not go see a Porno either. DO you think that it is discimination to keep her from seeing a porno?

What you call age discimination I call responsibility.
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Old 10-01-2014, 09:52 AM
 
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Oh, sure it is! Do you really want a 5 yr. old running this country? That's just plain STUPID.

Let that kid be a kid while she's still got the time left to do so. When she turns 14 she can legally work, but you will have to involve the school if she is doing more than self employed work from home.

This page may help you understand age discrimination better.

Youth At Work: Age Discrimination



Quit being your kids best friend. It isn't doing you or her any good and may have serious consequences for both of you.


Unless people would vote for the 5 year old, we wouldn't have a 5-year old as president.

Why does the school have to be involved? No one asked their opinion.

In other words, according to law, "discrimination" means you can't treat old people differently but you can treat young people differently. That doesn't even make sense. Old people are the ones who start getting slow and unskilled because their reflexes slow down. I think it's obvious who wrote this law: an old person.

And didn't most people on here say there will be no consequences on our side, no matter what happens on how "legal" the job is?
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Old 10-01-2014, 09:55 AM
 
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Actually the newspaper industry lost litigation where they claimed newsboys/girls were independent contractors. Once they had to pay taxes and provide workers compensation insurance they started hiring adults.

What's the difference between employees and independent contractors?

Maybe that's how the job is being classified and that's why it's legal for them to hire our daughter?
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Old 10-01-2014, 09:58 AM
 
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Why would this company hire a child to do this work instead of an adult? I don't get this. If I were a parent, I would want my child to learn something valuable instead of staring at a computer screen plugging in numbers all day. What will she be learning that she doesn't already know?

I'd rather have my child working around the house, doing chores and learning how to take care of a household, cook, clean and garden. Besides, she's too young to work. Most states won't let anyone under 15 work. Have you checked with the department of labor?

20yrsinBranson

Maybe the child is smarter than an adult?

And if you don't have kids, but most kids don't want to work for their parents.
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Old 10-01-2014, 10:04 AM
 
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Who is it disciminating? Who would be hurt by having to wait till they are 35?

Your premise is lacking. Here is the deal. Can kids work? Yes they can. Kids can work when they hit a magic age. Can someone run for President? Yes. All people can run for President as soon as they hit the magic age. No one is being held back and no one is hurt by that action. The same for drinking, smoking (Although that is a dying activity) Voting, driving a car, and many other things that are age restricted. Your child can not go see a Porno either. DO you think that it is discimination to keep her from seeing a porno?

What you call age discimination I call responsibility.

It's discriminating because not everyone has the same growth cycle.

If every child was magically different at 14, it would be fine. But people are capable to work at different cycles and it's not fair to our daughter if she can't work because some parents don't manage to have their children behave until 16.

All age restricted laws are discrimination but many people do the other actions anyway without repercussions.
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Old 10-01-2014, 10:20 AM
 
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The 8th grade example was just to show that laws and expectations change over time. Twelve year olds used to work 80 hour weeks in factories, one poster started working at age 12 at some time in the past, those things do not matter, the law in 2014 states that you can start certain jobs at age 14 in America.

No, I do not think that you have "higher expectations for her than the law" I know that you have repeatedly stated viewpoints in this thread that show that you believe that you are "above the law" (the laws of our country do not apply to you and your family because you do not feel that any laws are just or because of your innate superiority or just because you don't want to be told what you can and can not do) --- something very different and rather unsettling.

Why does the law matter? What each person thinks for their own situation should matter.

And why is it unsettling? Did you write the law or something and that's why you're so protective of it?
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Old 10-01-2014, 10:23 AM
 
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Maybe the child is smarter than an adult?
Agreed.
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Old 10-01-2014, 10:23 AM
 
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What's the difference between employees and independent contractors?

Maybe that's how the job is being classified and that's why it's legal for them to hire our daughter?
Most of the laws concerning child labor only apply when the child is an employee.

Self Employed is exempt in the links I provided for California.
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Old 10-01-2014, 10:25 AM
 
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It's discriminating because not everyone has the same growth cycle.

If every child was magically different at 14, it would be fine. But people are capable to work at different cycles and it's not fair to our daughter if she can't work because some parents don't manage to have their children behave until 16.

All age restricted laws are discrimination but many people do the other actions anyway without repercussions.
Discrimination, unless part of protected class, is the standard operating procedure.

There are several twists regarding minors and one is emancipation...

Also marriage laws vary... in Massachusetts it can be as young as 12 for a girl and 13 in New Hampshire... and some others have no minimum age in some circumstances...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_...tes_of_America

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Old 10-01-2014, 10:32 AM
 
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Most of the laws concerning child labor only apply when the child is an employee.

Self Employed is exempt in the links I provided for California.

Are independent contractor and self employed synonyms for each other?

I thought self employed meant owning your own business?
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