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Baloney. There are other jobs, even in rural areas, if one looks hard enough. Since that poster said conditions for mom were ok then, I understand why the poster worked there.
But if conditions were awful already for any relative of mine, I would never even apply to work there..even if my conditions would be good. It's called principles.
That's a fine plan. If you plan to live with your parents for the foreseeable future, or you simply have enough money to not work.
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Originally Posted by BobNJ1960
Would you condone someone say, selling kiddie porn, if they were unable to get another job? Gotta make a living never trumps principles for moral people.
I would turn that person into the authorities.
Slaughtering chickens for food is a living. People have to eat. Providing kiddie porn is a crime, and rightfully so.
If It was bearable then, I understand. What changed between then and now (practices) to make it unbearable?
The way the employees are treated by the supervisors on the line.
Being told they can't use the restroom when they need to; not having someone on the line who can relieve them so that they can use the restroom when they need to. The attitude of the people who were promoted from line workers to supervisors. Imagine going to your supervisor to request one day off from work to attend your child's college graduation and it taking weeks and weeks to get approval. Or getting denied for it. But not only that, it may take weeks for you to just speak with them about it although you see them every single day and they are available before then because...they simply don't want to talk to you. I'm talking the kind of supervisors that will call you names like "pathetic", "crazy", "lazy", "stupid"...roll their eyes and ignore you when you ask to go to the bathroom or request to talk about putting in a vacation day.
This is just the tip of the iceberg. I'm not even going there about the attitude and craziness of the people you have to work WITH, literally standing inches next to every day on end for years...
Put quite simply, the wages are a reflection of not just the working conditions but the type of people you have to tolerate working there...that made it a double whammy for my mom. Some of the things she's told me over the years supervisors have even opened their mouths to say to her and/or other people had me wanting to fly down there and b***ch slap some folks. And I am a tolerant, patient person believe it or not!
The way the employees are treated by the supervisors on the line.
Being told they can't use the restroom when they need to; not having someone on the line who can relieve them so that they can use the restroom when they need to. The attitude of the people who were promoted from line workers to supervisors. Imagine going to your supervisor to request one day off from work to attend your child's college graduation and it taking weeks and weeks to get approval. Or getting denied for it. But not only that, it may take weeks for you to just speak with them about it although you see them every single day and they are available before then because...they simply don't want to talk to you. I'm talking the kind of supervisors that will call you names like "pathetic", "crazy", "lazy", "stupid"...roll their eyes and ignore you when you ask to go to the bathroom or request to talk about putting in a vacation day.
This is just the tip of the iceberg. I'm not even going there about the attitude and craziness of the people you have to work WITH, literally standing inches next to every day on end for years...
Put quite simply, the wages are a reflection of not just the working conditions but the type of people you have to tolerate working there...that made it a double whammy for my mom. Some of the things she's told me over the years supervisors have even opened their mouths to say to her and/or other people had me wanting to fly down there and b***ch slap some folks. And I am a tolerant, patient person believe it or not!
Thanks for detailing it. I hate that industry's practices, and sill favor a corp death penalty for hiring illegals in any industry regularly.
If It was bearable then, I understand. What changed between then and now (practices) to make it unbearable?
Also, keep in mind, even if it was NOT bearable, the reasons I gave you would still stand.
You do realize there are some towns that do exist where the employment options are so limited for residents (legal, American-born ones) with a lack of education/skills that places like these are some people's best option.....right?
Like I said, my mother worked there for 14 years. MOST of those years ended up being NOT bearable. She did what she HAD to do to keep a roof over me and my brother's heads and food on the table as long as we were living in her household. No other place in our hometown was going to offer someone like her...with only a diploma, no other skills, and a work history consisting almost entirely of cafeteria work, the chance to earn $10 an hour.
Also, keep in mind, even if it was NOT bearable, the reasons I gave you would still stand.
You do realize there are some towns that do exist where the employment options are so limited for residents (legal, American-born ones) with a lack of education/skills that places like these are some people's best option.....right?
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I once worked in a town of 2,500..county of 6,500 for the largest employer. We still lost some employees to other local employers. We were the best option in general, but on occasion, another employer would offer a better opportunity /promotion (usually in cases where the same position with us was filled).
I for one will be researching more carefully where my food comes from, and making changes accordingly. I will not support this kind of garbage going on in my own country with my hard earned dollars.
People who work hard and contribute something of meaningful worth should not be abused in this fashion, regardless of country of origin.
America needs a few hard labor prison camps for people who run these kind of crooked operations. Let them have a taste of their own medicine.
Baloney. There are other jobs, even in rural areas, if one looks hard enough. Since that poster said conditions for mom were ok then, I understand why the poster worked there.
But if conditions were awful already for any relative of mine, I would never even apply to work there..even if my conditions would be good. It's called principles.
Would you condone someone say, selling kiddie porn, if they were unable to get another job? Gotta make a living never trumps principles for moral people.
"Baloney. There are other jobs, even in rural areas, if one looks hard enough."
Seriously?
You can't be serious. Are you for real? Like, for real, for real right now?
Of course there may be other jobs.You do realize that:
1. Just because they exist doesn't mean you're qualified for them?
2. Just because you're qualified for one doesn't mean you'll get hired for one? There might be 1 or 2 (or...get this....even more than 2...?) other people also looking at applying to/getting the same job?
3. Even if you do get the job that it may not pay as well as the chicken plant down the street?
4. Even if you do get the job you may not be able to keep said job?
Now take someone like my mother and try telling her 'there are other jobs'. She's been looking for 3 years since 'that plant who shall remain un-named' fired her. 'Ain't' nobody in our hometown about to pay her $10/hour.
People have been knocking down her door to hire a 57 year old with 14 years experience at a chicken processing plant. Yeah right.
I didn't know there were people out there that really think it's THAT EASY for everyone. Hey...just get a job like the rest of us! Yep, it's that easy. Everyone who is unemployed just isn't LOOKING HARD ENOUGH.
Then again, I guess I know what it's like growing up the way I did so I have seen people struggle. All I can say is, for those who haven't, you should be grateful and UNDERSTAND that although you may THINK it's 'that simple' or 'that easy'....you truly do not KNOW it until you have LIVED it.
"Baloney. There are other jobs, even in rural areas, if one looks hard enough."
Seriously?
You can't be serious. Are you for real? Like, for real, for real right now?
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I saw it firsthand. There are fewer opportunities in rural America vs urban, but there are some.
We had county police, county schools..town was so small, and yet, there were other mfg jobs.
I for one will be researching more carefully where my food comes from, and making changes accordingly. I will not support this kind of garbage going on in my own country with my hard earned dollars.
People who work hard and contribute something of meaningful worth should not be abused in this fashion, regardless of country of origin.
America needs a few hard labor prison camps for people who run these kind of crooked operations. Let them have a taste of their own medicine.
That's what I do; I agree with everything you wrote here.
It's just especially hard when you see good people who just need a chance to work, who don't bother anyone else or bring any negativity to the job be treated like this. And it's mostly just because they've been dealt an unfair hand in life...many of them are uneducated and/or lower-IQ people lacking the simple mental capacity to do better and make better decisions/moves in their lives that could improve their socioeconomic status. Not everyone working in these places are criminals and illegals. Many of them are your run-of-the-mill uneducated unskilled people with families to support living in places that don't have enough jobs that pay well for everyone living there to support themselves above poverty level.
For reasons I guess I will never understand, there will always be some people whose first reaction is to point fingers and come up with reasons that 'justify' the blatantly illegal *and* immoral practices of places like this...rather than having the reaction of simple compassion and humanity towards other living breathing human beings who are mostly just trying to make a simple legal living wage to put food on their own tables by themselves without asking for a handout or support from anyone else.
Considering fascism is ACTUALLY an economic system aimed for there being no mistreatment or exploitation of people or their vices, regardless of class, this will be a good thing if it comes true.
Perhaps some people should actually read up on the economic system called fascism rather than believe it is an oppressive system that the media considers or wants it to be (the media and liberals always have a hard time dealing with reality or the real meanings of words).
Who told you that, Rush Limbaugh? Going downhill, indeed.
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Gotta make a living never trumps principles for moral people.
