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Old 05-30-2016, 08:21 AM
 
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LOL
People with criminal records get hired everyday
People with "bad references" get hired everyday
People with "employment gaps" get hired everyday
People with poor/bad credit get hired everyday
People over 40 get hired everyday
I was talking about good jobs, not WalMart
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Old 05-30-2016, 08:34 AM
 
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I was talking about good jobs, not WalMart
I know a guy who was a stay at home dad for over 10 years (oh no a "gap",) he is 40+ and just landed a tech job making double what he was making when he left the work force in the early 2000's. Another person I know did over 10 years on drug charges, got out of prison and basically walked into a factory job making close to 25/hr, now she runs her own business. But I guess we can all keep making excuses as to why we never get hired, because it is always someone else's fault.
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Old 05-30-2016, 09:12 AM
 
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LOL
People with criminal records get hired everyday
People with "bad references" get hired everyday
People with "employment gaps" get hired everyday
People with poor/bad credit get hired everyday
People over 40 get hired everyday

If you can't get the job. most of the time the problem is you.

Not really. It is getting harder and harder for Good People to get jobs.
I have a lot of ex employees who cant find jobs for all the above reasons. The real killers have been the employment gap problem and the over 40 problem. I always encouraged my employees to take time off and go work somewhere else to learn more skills. But is seems to be a deal killer these days to HR people. I get called from time to time by HR people and they ask some of the most personal and ridiculous questions about the potential employee. I used to try to answer questions but these days I can only say u=yes they worked here and yes they were good employees.
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Old 05-30-2016, 10:02 AM
 
Location: East Bay, San Francisco Bay Area
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Best advice is to keep your skills + education relatively current. Keep networking. Help others, so they help you in the time of need. Stay flexible and adaptable (relocate if necessary and take a job out of your area of expertise as a temporary measure if the salary is lower to help pay your bills). Realize that you are not entitled to anything in this world. Continue to learn new skills.
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Old 05-30-2016, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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I know a guy who was a stay at home dad for over 10 years (oh no a "gap",) he is 40+ and just landed a tech job making double what he was making when he left the work force in the early 2000's. Another person I know did over 10 years on drug charges, got out of prison and basically walked into a factory job making close to 25/hr, now she runs her own business. But I guess we can all keep making excuses as to why we never get hired, because it is always someone else's fault.
You're absolutely right. I know one of the two examples you mentioned myself. At the end of the day I have enough confidence in my abilities that blemishes on my record I can work through and will be insignificant to the bigger picture. If for some reason I lose my present job and cannot find one with an equal level of pay I will have no regrets, because I have worked hard and been faithful the entire way.
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Old 05-30-2016, 10:12 AM
 
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Best advice is to keep your skills + education relatively current. Keep networking. Help others, so they help you in the time of need. Stay flexible and adaptable (relocate if necessary and take a job out of your area of expertise as a temporary measure if the salary is lower to help pay your bills). Realize that you are not entitled to anything in this world. Continue to learn new skills.
Exactly, the age discrimination thing stems from the stereotype that "older" workers refuse to learn new skills (I have actually seen this resistance from older workers). In the case of my friend who was out of the workforce for over 10 years, he was pursuing a BS in IT and had up to date certifications. He nailed the technical interview, and was complimented that even though he had a "gap" he kept up with IT all those years.
I have seen age discrimination in reverse. I worked under a tech coordinator at a school district who "hated" people younger than her. She would not hire anyone under 30 and made the younger teachers lives a living hell at least on the technology front. She was mean as a rattlesnake to younger workers who didn't deserve it.
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Old 05-30-2016, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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[quote=Vision67;44234024]Most employees are continually anxious about the possibility of losing their job.

Whenever the big wheels would come down to give a talk, for the employees it all was bla, bla, bla until it got to the topic of future job security and possible jobs growth or loss.

My advice: When you are young, start saving aggressively. By your 50s be out of debt.

Having a paid off house and no debt and a big bank account is a good way to kill the fear of potential job loss.




Bingo No one owes you a job or a living. Yes I've seen older workers pushed out and those of us left are pushed to the brink in order to drive us out. My field especially is geared towards younger workers.

I started planning for my retirement when I was in my 20's, and it felt marvelous to tell them to take this job and shove it at 58.
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Old 05-30-2016, 12:07 PM
 
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Constantly obviously but as to the criminal record, criminals get jobs easier than I do. I'm sure if I had a job I wouldn't be so fearful so I guess I'm already cut out but I fear I'll never get one and my fears are proven to me. Although if I had a job I would not take it for granted at all and work my absolute hardest because I'd never want any chance of going through this again.

I have not the greatest credit, barely any references and an employment gap. When you tie all that together it is worse to employers than a criminal history. I'm not sure why I think it's because there is a big support system for criminals. They want to keep the criminals from committing more crimes so they put them to work but no one cares about regular people depending on the country's money. If I was anyone else my credit lack of references and employment gap wouldn't matter so much I'm sure but no one wants to hire me because I am the plague. They have the mindset that criminals can be rehabilitated but disabilities and personalities can't be fixed which I kinda get but at the same time my disability wouldn't make me bad at my job as the money would really be motivation to push through and learn what I don't know. Also it's not like I'm a malicious person so not sure why it matters why I'm not the most sociable person or positive (as I would only be negative about myself and I'm mostly only that way because I don't have a job so a job would improve me)

I have had my sites put in my resume to fix the gap as well as my degree but that's only enough to get me into a few interviews.
I can't fix my credit because I can't pay my student loans off. It's a catch 22 because I need a job to fix my credit.
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Old 05-30-2016, 01:00 PM
 
Location: TOVCCA
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It seems like anything nowadays can disqualify you from getting a good job, no matter how skilled and motivated you are
I have a friend who earns $500. for 2 hours of work. What does he do? He's an astrologer.

There are any number of occupations that are not hampered in any way by your list of fears.
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Old 05-30-2016, 06:42 PM
 
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1. People control their criminal history by not committing crimes.
Although a surprising number of completely innocent people have been convicted of death penalty crimes, I am sure that you think that occurs less for regular felonies, and misdemeanors...right? I mean it must just be that our death penalty cases are flawed...right? And that massive jail sentences that can be negotiated down via pleas mean that theres ABSOLUTELY no way a truly innocent would take probation instead of risking 10 years in prison.....right?
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2. People control their references by only providing the names of people will give a good reference.
I think they were referring to references from prior jobs, IE new job calls old job, gets the guy who didn't like you because you are a Republican.

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3 Employment gaps can be mitigated by doing freelance or volunteer work should unemployment drag on past a few months .
Yeah, heres a clue-as a person who hires....we dont care about your freelance and volunteer work, its still a gap.

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4. Poor credit can be controlled by paying bills, repairing credit report, or targeting jobs where credit doesn't matter.
I like how its "target a job where it doesn't matter". BTW a LOT of credit reports are wrong, mine was-and I didn't fix it til I needed to buy a house. Paid some of my ex wifes bills that she incurred after our divorce simply to resolve the issues.
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5. After age 40, one can plan to stay long term in a current position, stay abreast of latest technology, keep skills updated, move to become an "expert" in the field by getting published, speaking at conferences, etc.

No need to live in fear.
Bwahahahha. After 40 even if you CAN keep up-it doesn't matter. The majority assume you can't. Dye your hair, only reference jobs for the last 20 years, and avoid placing your age-you will vastly increase most of your job prospects. Reality is though....your body and mind are on the decline.
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