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Old 01-10-2017, 05:20 AM
 
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What would happen if, say, any employee that was laid off there was a requirement that they get paid twice what employers were paying them rather than had they just kept them employed?
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Old 01-10-2017, 05:23 AM
 
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what would happen? these businesses woyld fail, and then no one has a job.
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Old 01-10-2017, 05:27 AM
 
Location: Eastern Tennessee
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what would happen is your $60 pair of jeans would cost $300. On sale.
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Old 01-10-2017, 05:48 AM
 
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There seems to have been a lot of deep thinking behind this op.
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Old 01-10-2017, 06:00 AM
 
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I would hop from job to job trying my best to get laid off!
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Old 01-10-2017, 06:41 AM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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It'd be like France where an actual, honest-to-goodness full-time employee almost never gets hired because once they're hired, they can't be fired and can sit around for decades doing next to nothing, and everyone under 30 or 40 would be stuck in "temporary" or "contract" positions for many, many years, and there'd be tremendous youth unemployment and generational problems in society.
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Old 01-10-2017, 07:10 AM
 
Location: southwestern PA
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What would happen if, say, any employee that was laid off there was a requirement that they get paid twice what employers were paying them rather than had they just kept them employed?
That would indicate that the inmates were running the asylum....
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Old 01-10-2017, 07:11 AM
 
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Ever hear what it's like in Japan?


Layoffs Taboo, Japan Workers Are Sent to the Boredom Room - The New York Times


Shusaku Tani is employed at the Sony plant here, but he doesn’t really work.
For more than two years, he has come to a small room, taken a seat and then passed the time reading newspapers, browsing the Web and poring over engineering textbooks from his college days. He files a report on his activities at the end of each day.
Sony, Mr. Tani’s employer of 32 years, consigned him to this room because they can’t get rid of him. Sony had eliminated his position at the Sony Sendai Technology Center, which in better times produced magnetic tapes for videos and cassettes. But Mr. Tani, 51, refused to take an early retirement offer from Sony in late 2010 — his prerogative under Japanese labor law.
So there he sits in what is called the “chasing-out room.” He spends his days there, with about 40 other holdouts.
“I won’t leave,” Mr. Tani said. “Companies aren’t supposed to act this way. It’s inhumane.”



The standoff between workers and management at the Sendai factory underscores an intensifying battle over hiring and firing practices in Japan, where lifetime employment has long been the norm and where large-scale layoffs remain a social taboo, at least at Japan’s largest corporations.


I think lifetime employment is unworkable, after all Sony is moving it's gaming division to the US. But, I think rather than laying off employees, if they are good productive employees, why not give them 30 days and some training for another role? Of course, this wouldn't work for smaller companies, but large corps.
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Old 01-10-2017, 08:58 AM
 
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What would happen if, say, any employee that was laid off there was a requirement that they get paid twice what employers were paying them rather than had they just kept them employed?
Twice their previous pay for how long? 1 month? 1 year? 10 years?

If it is for a short time period such as 1 month it would basically be a severance package. At longer time periods, the effect would be that new workers would be unable to find jobs. This would start as soon as a bill was passed into law, before even taking effect, since companies would be very reluctant to hire someone that may be almost impossible to get rid of in the future.
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Old 01-10-2017, 09:14 AM
 
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You'd have the kind of situation like in Germany. In Germany, the big corporations use a ton of contract employees because it's so expensive to ever lay someone off.

There's some middle ground between what Europe does where 6 months to 1 year of termination pay isn't unusual and the US employee at will thing where it's completely legal most places to hand any employee a pink slip and march them out the door with no separation pay at all beyond paying them current and paying out accrued vacation time.

Ontario is 1 week per year of service up to 8 years of service. A minimum of 1 week if you've been there less than a year and a minimum of 2 weeks if you've been there less than 2 years. If you've been with a company for 8 years, you get 8 weeks of termination pay. I think that's the middle ground. Canada has national healthcare. I think the US needs to take that into account, too. The employer should be on the hook for all the COBRA payments on a similar schedule.
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