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Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
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I have only seen a few co-workers fired over the years, and in every case it was clearly justified, in fact overdue. In those cases where there was never a sign of the person having a performance issue, keep in mind that you don't always know what's going on between them and the supervisor. Certain offenses could be grounds for immediate dismissal, such as insubordination, being drunk on the job, sexual harassment, endangering employees, falsification of a document, theft.
Look at how many valuable employees who get fired, laid off (when business hits a slump), blackballed, not promoted etc, and look at all the dead weight weasels who accomplish nothing, do nothing, or do nothing right, are still left around year after year after year who should have been 86'd before their first year even ended.
Its pretty OBVIOUS there are agendas, favoritism, unfairness in the corporate workplace. Certain firings could obviously be justified, but I wouldn't bet it was the right decisions every time because of how back ***wards workplace is today
Looking back over my career I remember coming to work quite often and noticing a coworker was missing. No, he/she was not on vacation, they were gone permanently. They were terminated! FIRED!
I had never heard that there were any problems with their performance and all my interactions with that person was fine and I had thought they were doing a good job. But management disagreed.
The funny thing is my coworkers would love to gossip about the terminated employee for days afterwards. The person who had been a trusted co-worker the day before was now demonized and ridiculed.
How could this be? After much thought and introspection, I figured out that most people assume that "management" knows what they are doing and if they made a decision to terminate someone, it must be the right decision. All our old positive impressions of Bob, our terminated ex-co-worker, were wrong.
Management is always right in personnel decisions- right?
Why would anyone automatically assume anyone is right or wrong based on a title and knowing nothing of the situation?
I can only speak for where I work. Union job, if you are terminated, and it gets past all the Union efforts....yes, you deserved it. Don't get me wrong, there are employees who do things that are they should be terminated for, but when you are the Administrators cronies, they look the other way.
Speaking of UNION.............I was union president of our local ( not the non-union printing plant )and 2 workers were in big trouble for doing one of 2 things that can get you fired w/o warning letters prior..........stealing or fighting on the job.
They got into a fierce fight right in their work areas and both got injured.
I had a conference with the plant manager and informed him the union would not be contesting.
He decided to not fire the two because both had been there over 10years.
I lectured the two hard heads about how lucky they were and both asked "why am I lucky"?
Look at how many valuable employees who get fired, laid off (when business hits a slump), blackballed, not promoted etc, and look at all the dead weight weasels who accomplish nothing, do nothing, or do nothing right, are still left around year after year after year who should have been 86'd before their first year even ended.
Its pretty OBVIOUS there are agendas, favoritism, unfairness in the corporate workplace. Certain firings could obviously be justified, but I wouldn't bet it was the right decisions every time because of how back ***wards workplace is today
I'd rep you if I could! ^^^I could not have said it better myself.
I voted for it's above my pay grade because there is no it depends. Some are cut and dry, others aren't. Some are call out/late policy issues. Some are harassment and that. Some are others that can be taken one way or the other.
Having fired lots of people there is always a reason.
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