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No I think Ireland and the UK are.
I have been to Canada and while it is almost a copycat of America there are distinct differences. Ireland is a copycat of the UK and whether they like it or not basically controlled by the UK.
I have been to Canada and while it is almost a copycat of America there are distinct differences. Ireland is a copycat of the UK and whether they like it or not basically controlled by the UK.
If the UK goes down Ireland is going down too.
I'm not sure why people call Canada a 'copycat' of the U.S.. Its not like the U.S is thousands of years older than Canada... Both countries developed historically around the same time.. The U.S is more populous of course and obviously because of this Canada has quite a bit of American retail and the bigger guy influences the smaller guy culturally more than the other way but to say copycat is silly, inaccurate and not understanding either country very well.. Both have such linked histories and development and grew together in tandem. This is why you see such similarities.
I'm not sure why people call Canada a 'copycat' of the U.S.. Its not like the U.S is thousands of years older than Canada... Both countries developed historically around the same time.. The U.S is more populous of course and obviously because of this Canada has quite a bit of American retail and the bigger guy influences the smaller guy culturally more than the other way but to say copycat is silly, inaccurate and not understanding either country very well.. Both have such linked histories and development and grew together in tandem. This is why you see such similarities.
"Both countries developed historically around the same time".
When the U.S. was a fully-fledged independent country, Canada was still a 95% French-speaking crown colony of the British Empire with 1/20 the population. America developed long before Canada. In fact, Canada outside of Quebec was the last country in the Americas to be settled by a population of any significance, with cities like Toronto, Vancouver, and Calgary being little more than towns until the 20th century, long after cities like Chicago and San Fransisco were major cities. Such a thing as Canadian citizenship didn't exist until after World War II and Canada didn't even become an independent country until over 200 years after the United States.
"Both countries developed historically around the same time".
When the U.S. was a fully-fledged independent country, Canada was still a 95% French-speaking crown colony of the British Empire with 1/20 the population. America developed long before Canada. In fact, Canada outside of Quebec was the last country in the Americas to be settled by a population of any significance, with cities like Toronto, Vancouver, and Calgary being little more than towns until the 20th century, long after cities like Chicago and San Fransisco were major cities. Such a thing as Canadian citizenship didn't exist until after World War II and Canada didn't even become an independent country until over 200 years after the United States.
Both countries did not grow together "in tandem".
Western Canadian cities were small similar to western American cities outside of California. Vancouver grew after San Francisco but not too differently from Seattle.
Perhaps, but are they more different from each other than Canada and America? You can go from Anytown, Quebec to Anytown, Georgia, and in the process go from a 99% white, French speaking Catholic area where snow is on the ground as often as it is not, and go to a 50% black/50% white English speaking protestant area where the climate is borderline tropical. This isn't an extreme example, but a realistic comparing typical areas in either country. Canada only appears so similar if we compare it to the regions of the US immediately bordering it. Although the vast majority of Canadians live within a 2 hour drive of the US border, most Americans do not live near the Canadian border, let alone within a 2 hour drive away.
I don't think anything that different exists in the Austra/Germany contrast. They both speak the same language and live in similar climates, although their religious backgrounds differ.
Western Canadian cities were small similar to western American cities outside of California. Vancouver grew after San Francisco but not too differently from Seattle.
True statement, but Vancouver is an anomaly. It was settled by gold-seekers long before anything else west of Toronto had been built up. When Chicago was a major industrial city, the only such city in Canada was still Montreal. Montreal actually remained the only industrial center of Canada into the 20th century.
In another way to look at it, "Westward expansion" as it is it happened in America didn't really occur in Canada. Oregon Country was being settled by people traversing the continent as early as the 1830's, but people rarely left the Canadian colonies and moved westward to settle in Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta, or British Columbia. Back then people from the Canadian colonies could simply cross the US border and become American citizens on their own volition, so those who wanted new land rarely moved into the frigid lands of the Canadian plains and instead settled in the US. As a result, the interior of southern Canada that lays between Toronto and Vancouver had very little white settlement into the 20th century. These areas didn't attract much settlement until the US frontiers were closed, and land-seekers looked to Canada as the last place where they could get agricultural land for cheap (or free). The development of Vancouver isn't really indicative of people successfully crossing the continent and settling the lands in between. Before the closing of the American frontier, Canada actually experienced extended periods of demographic stagnation and decline.
Notice that with the exception of British Columbia and the famous "postage stamp" Manitoba, the provinces west of Quebec and northwest of Toronto still aren't consolidated, but instead are still divided into provisional territories (much like today's Nunavut and Yukon). This is a map from 1900.
Maybe, but Manitoba and North Dakota grew at about the same time and rate in the late 1800s. Saskatchewan and Alberta were later, similar to what you said. Toronto was a medium sized Great Lakes city, similar in size to Cleveland in the late 1800s and early 1900s (going by metro population, Toronto had small city limits).
"Both countries developed historically around the same time".
When the U.S. was a fully-fledged independent country, Canada was still a 95% French-speaking crown colony of the British Empire with 1/20 the population. America developed long before Canada. In fact, Canada outside of Quebec was the last country in the Americas to be settled by a population of any significance, with cities like Toronto, Vancouver, and Calgary being little more than towns until the 20th century, long after cities like Chicago and San Fransisco were major cities. Such a thing as Canadian citizenship didn't exist until after World War II and Canada didn't even become an independent country until over 200 years after the United States.
Both countries did not grow together "in tandem".
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Originally Posted by hobbesdj
True statement, but Vancouver is an anomaly. It was settled by gold-seekers long before anything else west of Toronto had been built up. When Chicago was a major industrial city, the only such city in Canada was still Montreal. Montreal actually remained the only industrial center of Canada into the 20th century.
In another way to look at it, "Westward expansion" as it is it happened in America didn't really occur in Canada. Oregon Country was being settled by people traversing the continent as early as the 1830's, but people rarely left the Canadian colonies and moved westward to settle in Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta, or British Columbia. Back then people from the Canadian colonies could simply cross the US border and become American citizens on their own volition, so those who wanted new land rarely moved into the frigid lands of the Canadian plains and instead settled in the US. As a result, the interior of southern Canada that lays between Toronto and Vancouver had very little white settlement into the 20th century. These areas didn't attract much settlement until the US frontiers were closed, and land-seekers looked to Canada as the last place where they could get agricultural land for cheap (or free). The development of Vancouver isn't really indicative of people successfully crossing the continent and settling the lands in between. Before the closing of the American frontier, Canada actually experienced extended periods of demographic stagnation and decline.
Notice that with the exception of British Columbia and the famous "postage stamp" Manitoba, the provinces west of Quebec and northwest of Toronto still aren't consolidated, but instead are still divided into provisional territories (much like today's Nunavut and Yukon). This is a map from 1900.
Beautiful! Just a beautiful posts! Anglo-Canadians will come up with anything to explain their copycat-ism, including rewriting history to fit their narrative.
Canada was NOT always a US copycat like it is today. It has gotten so bad that anglo-Canadians can't even tell you what their own culture is anymore. Hockey? Maple syrup? Winter? As if other places don't have this. They try very hard to imitate the US in every cultural aspect, but the end result is a faux American copycat culture that even outsiders like Sickandtiredofthis this can see right through.
Maybe, but Manitoba and North Dakota grew at about the same time and rate in the late 1800s. Saskatchewan and Alberta were later, similar to what you said. Toronto was a medium sized Great Lakes city, similar in size to Cleveland in the late 1800s and early 1900s (going by metro population, Toronto had small city limits).
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