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Old 02-06-2015, 11:48 PM
 
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Let's see. Say, 200 countries, with an average term in office of 5 years, that's 2,000 contenders for the title. How many of those have you analyzed the performance of, to reach the conclusion that they were not as good as Obama?

How do you know there wasn't a president of ,say, Belgium, who had all the right stuff to be the greatest political leader of the modern era. But, by his nationality, he was disqualified from being president of any of the world powers. How would you know about him?
Belgium has a king and a Prime Minister. I never heard of a Belgium President.

Even in Germany, the "presidency" is kinda ceremonial and the Chancellor rules the land.
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Old 02-07-2015, 04:20 AM
 
Location: Russia
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He did not engage in a blind provocation against Russia knowing that the outcome would be disastrous to world peace.
He brought American troops back from Iraq ( he opposed the iIraq invasion when he was a senator)
He did not invade Iran as some wished.
He did soften relations with Cuba
Back home he did a good job by fostering job growth policies , he gave health insurance to millions of Americans.








Nothing to say. Only american can write this.

Desert_SW_77,
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Old 02-07-2015, 10:58 AM
 
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Nothing to say. Only american can write this.

Desert_SW_77,
Someone else would already have deployed nukes in Ukraine .
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Old 02-07-2015, 10:49 PM
 
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Go home Barack. You're drunk.
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Old 02-08-2015, 07:48 AM
 
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Non-leadership is not a good thing. This is not a plus and is such a disaster that we don't have to wait for history to be the judge- it is universally regarded as a disaster in our times.



His premature withdrawal has allowed it to become a terrorist haven. We still have troops in Japan, Germany and Korea, for Christ's sake. Pulling out of Iraq was an enormous strategic mistake, whether you agreed with the initial invasion or not.

We are back in Iraq, by the way, if you did not know.



And the last article I read on the subject said that they are now building new reactors. Excellent job letting them get the bomb. If World War 3 is going to start, it is going to because Israel has to do what our president did not have the guts to do, and stop Iran (just the same as they bombed reactors in Iraq and Syria).



A compete non-issue designed to thumb the eye of Republican Cuban supporters.



It took him six years to generate a recovery comparable to the one Mr. Reagan built in a little over two, and Reagan had the worse economic conditions. This is because what Obama did was absolutely the wrong thing. The economy is recovering in spite of him. But don't go sweeping up any pots yet. Real unemployment is still much higher than at any time in the Bush administration- even at the end. The numbers look good because tens of millions of people have left the work force, and are no longer being counted. THS IS WHY DEMOCRATIC PARTY POWER IS AT AN ALL TIME HISTORIC LOW NOT SEEN SINCE THE CIVIL WAR. In a way this is good. There will be a very clear dichotomy now for future recessions of whether we want to go the Reagan route, or the Obama/Roosevelt route. It is good education for the Republic.



One of the most unpopular programs in history, as the rest of us have seen our premiums and deductibles skyrocket to pay for the dead beats. The damage that Obamacare has done is just beginning, and will help to cement the Republican majority future as doctors continue to leave the field since they can't make any money.

By the way, the "millions" that have received coverage is another smoke-and-mirrors numbers. For one thing, a lot of the expanded coverage is in name only, since it mostly comes from an expansion of Medicare, and doctors are increasingly not seeing Medicare patients. Secondly, a lot of the so called new enrollees are only replacing coverage that they had. Finally, it was revealed that white house has been cheating on the numbers by including people signing up for dental insurance at having new medical coverage.

All of which will be moot, buy the by, if the supreme court rules the law unconstitutional (it is up for review again, if you did not know). It only passed last time because the court narrowly saw the mandate as being a tax- ONE OF THE LARGEST TAX INCREASES IN HISTORY.

Good job Barry! On being the worst president that this country has ever seen.


inability to pay medical bills is the number one cause of bankruptcy in america , the reason your healthcare costs so much is because health care providers ( including pharamacutical suppliers ) and the doctor lobby are allowed gauge , i agree with a lot of the american way and especially their distrust of the state but many americans attitude to state provided healthcare is bordering on paranoid delusion , people need to be healthy first before they can contribute
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Old 02-08-2015, 07:52 AM
 
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he ( obama ) has been incredibly good for wall st ( which i benefited from too btw ) yet the right wing seem to loathe him , this puzzles me
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Old 02-08-2015, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Opinions are usually oversold (especially in politics). Not a reason to nitpick the OP for not conducting a global survey of every national leader who existed in the past 50 years. Even then, being the methodology would involve his own opinion on what qualities merit being a "best" leader, it would still be an opinion.

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It's not a nitpick. The OP's title declared something as "the best", having made no meaningful effort to identify more than a tiny handful of other potential claimants to the honor. Even though his choice as "the best" is nearly the only contender for which we have no relevant historical perspective by which to judge the residue of his deeds, and should be disqualified from consideration for that reason alone.
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he gave health insurance to millions of Americans.
No he didn't give anything to anybody. He forced millions of Americans, under threat of penalty, to buy, with their own money, an insurance product from a for-profit corporation owned by tax-evading billionaires..

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He did not invade Iran
He's invading Syria as we speak. Many world leaders are not, nor have they invaded any country.
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He did soften relations with Cuba

Every other world leader already did, decades ago. And I mean EVERY one of them, except US presidents still terrified of the ghost of the late Jesse Helms..

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Old 02-08-2015, 09:19 AM
 
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he ( obama ) has been incredibly good for wall st ( which i benefited from too btw ) yet the right wing seem to loathe him , this puzzles me
Wall Street is run by liberals.
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Old 02-08-2015, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Finland
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I vote for this guy:

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Old 02-08-2015, 09:59 AM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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He did not engage in a blind provocation against Russia knowing that the outcome would be disastrous to world peace.
He brought American troops back from Iraq ( he opposed the iIraq invasion when he was a senator)
He did not invade Iran as some wished.
He did soften relations with Cuba
Back home he did a good job by fostering job growth policies , he gave health insurance to millions of Americans.
Barack Obama has been mostly a disaster domestically in the United States. He does not understand the decline of the Middle class in America, he is flooding the country with massive cheap labor, he is doing nothing to control the Federal budget, he had an opportunity to reform health care but instead he created another huge program we cannot afford.

Ironically in foreign affairs, he has been a bit better. He has managed to fight off attempts by lobbies to get the USA more involved in Syria and to attack Iran. He is working more with our Allies, especially the Europeans.
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