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Old 07-30-2021, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Newburgh, NY
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London and the UK have just experienced a heat wave, and the weather has been extremely good, although I would have thought you would have known that.

UK weather: heatwave health alert for England extended to Friday - The Guardian

There is also another heatwave predicted for August.

"The current UK heatwave is drawing to a close, but another could be on the way in just a couple of weeks".

When is the next UK heatwave? Met Office weather forecast for August with hot temperatures set to end - inews

It's been a fantastic July with temperatures reaching 32c (90f )and August is all set for anther heatwave, perhaps you are living in a different London, maybe London, Ontario, although I think the weather has also been quite hot in many parts of North America, and Canada has just had a record heatwave.

Yes England had a heatwave in July with London being one of the warmest places. However, this only lasted from July 16th to 22nd with temps 26-30 degrees with most days upper 20s. That is above average for England and is classed as a heatwave even though it probably equates to an average summer day in some of the coldest parts of the US in summer like Boston or Milwaukee. the other 75% of the month has been cold and mostly cloudy. Right now in London the temperature is 18 degrees which is a normal day in mid-October in New York. Only 7/30 days this month have been 25 degrees or above and only 3/30 days have been 30 degrees or above.

https://www.wunderground.com/calendar/gb/london/EGLW

This next link shows the weather this month in Berlin, Germany which is slightly further north than London and about 2-3 degrees warmer in summer, although they have many more above average days in summer than London does, possibly due to slightly more variation in their climate. 21/30 days have been 25 degrees or above and 5 have been 30 degrees or above.


London, England Climate London, England Temperatures London, England Weather Averages

This shows London's average high in July at a cool 22 with it being colder in the mornings and evenings of an average day. Only 40% of days in July, one of the sunniest months, are sunny and it rains 13 days out of the month which is definitely not everyday but is still a considerable amount, but it is generally overcast with no rain on most days. Also the reason other cities in the world accumulate more rain than London is due to the fact that their rain is torrential and appears in the form of thunderstorms or heavy downpours lasting all day sometimes. In England it rains much more frequently, however the rain usually does not last all day, sometimes it does but not most of the time. England has sporadic drizzle and rarely heavy downpours.

Seven days above 25 degrees which isn't even heat and is room temperature, with upper 20s being tepid heat, hardly seems like the climate people will flock to for the weather in the summer with the remaining 3 weeks being cold and overcast mostly.

Parts of the western US and most notably Canada had a scorching heatwave a few weeks ago where it even hit 49 degrees twice in one town in British Columbia. Canada's heatwave was upper 30s and even 40 regularly for over a week and was dangerous considering Canada is accustomed to cooler weather in the summer and the heat they usually get is not extreme. Britain on the other hand experienced a pleasant heatwave and sunny spell recently that was by no means dangerous. The whole 'England's heat is way hotter than Spain's heat' is innaccurate as England was only upper 20s with humidity 40-50% whilst places in Spain such as Mallorca and Malaga had temperatures above 30 degrees with humidity as high as 60% during the day. In Manchester one day it was 22 degrees, people were complaining it was too hot and as hot as Spain in summer. I have no idea how people can think cool air is too hot, no matter how cold and cloudy a place they live, and especially how a toasty place like Spain in summer can be the same as what would be described as a pleasantly cool day by the rational person. England is very comfortable in summer even on the hottest days, it is only uncomfortable inside due to lack of air-conditioning. However, parts of France and essentially all of Germany have no air-conditioning despite frequent warm weather in summer and seem to adapt, despite the discomfort indoors.

Even Stockholm, Sweden which is way further north than anywhere in England has recorded 19/30 days of July being 25 degrees or above.

https://www.wunderground.com/calenda...-district/ESSB

Even Moscow, Russia which is as far north as Edinburgh/Glasgow in Scotland has recorded 10/30 days in July 30 degrees or above which is more days than London has had above 25 let alone 30! I have no idea how many days in Edinburgh or Glasgow have been above 25, however I imagine the number to be 1 or 2, possibly less. The UK has very mild winters and cool summers due to the gulf stream and being an island and is one of the cloudiest places in the world, especially in summer.

England is not hot in summer its absolutely freezing especially in comparison to other locations further north in Europe with London actually being one of the most comfortable and warmest places despite this month having a mere 7 days 25 degrees or above. Where I lived in Manchester 22-23 degrees was a good day even in July!
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Old 07-30-2021, 09:22 AM
 
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Yes England had a heatwave in July with London being one of the warmest places. However, this only lasted from July 16th to 22nd with temps 26-30 degrees with most days upper 20s. That is above average for England and is classed as a heatwave even though it probably equates to an average summer day in some of the coldest parts of the US in summer like Boston or Milwaukee. the other 75% of the month has been cold and mostly cloudy. Right now in London the temperature is 18 degrees which is a normal day in mid-October in New York. Only 7/30 days this month have been 25 degrees or above and only 3/30 days have been 30 degrees or above.

https://www.wunderground.com/calendar/gb/london/EGLW

This next link shows the weather this month in Berlin, Germany which is slightly further north than London and about 2-3 degrees warmer in summer, although they have many more above average days in summer than London does, possibly due to slightly more variation in their climate. 21/30 days have been 25 degrees or above and 5 have been 30 degrees or above.


London, England Climate London, England Temperatures London, England Weather Averages

This shows London's average high in July at a cool 22 with it being colder in the mornings and evenings of an average day. Only 40% of days in July, one of the sunniest months, are sunny and it rains 13 days out of the month which is definitely not everyday but is still a considerable amount, but it is generally overcast with no rain on most days. Also the reason other cities in the world accumulate more rain than London is due to the fact that their rain is torrential and appears in the form of thunderstorms or heavy downpours lasting all day sometimes. In England it rains much more frequently, however the rain usually does not last all day, sometimes it does but not most of the time. England has sporadic drizzle and rarely heavy downpours.

Seven days above 25 degrees which isn't even heat and is room temperature, with upper 20s being tepid heat, hardly seems like the climate people will flock to for the weather in the summer with the remaining 3 weeks being cold and overcast mostly.

Parts of the western US and most notably Canada had a scorching heatwave a few weeks ago where it even hit 49 degrees twice in one town in British Columbia. Canada's heatwave was upper 30s and even 40 regularly for over a week and was dangerous considering Canada is accustomed to cooler weather in the summer and the heat they usually get is not extreme. Britain on the other hand experienced a pleasant heatwave and sunny spell recently that was by no means dangerous. The whole 'England's heat is way hotter than Spain's heat' is innaccurate as England was only upper 20s with humidity 40-50% whilst places in Spain such as Mallorca and Malaga had temperatures above 30 degrees with humidity as high as 60% during the day. In Manchester one day it was 22 degrees, people were complaining it was too hot and as hot as Spain in summer. I have no idea how people can think cool air is too hot, no matter how cold and cloudy a place they live, and especially how a toasty place like Spain in summer can be the same as what would be described as a pleasantly cool day by the rational person. England is very comfortable in summer even on the hottest days, it is only uncomfortable inside due to lack of air-conditioning. However, parts of France and essentially all of Germany have no air-conditioning despite frequent warm weather in summer and seem to adapt, despite the discomfort indoors.

Even Stockholm, Sweden which is way further north than anywhere in England has recorded 19/30 days of July being 25 degrees or above.

https://www.wunderground.com/calenda...-district/ESSB

Even Moscow, Russia which is as far north as Edinburgh/Glasgow in Scotland has recorded 10/30 days in July 30 degrees or above which is more days than London has had above 25 let alone 30! I have no idea how many days in Edinburgh or Glasgow have been above 25, however I imagine the number to be 1 or 2, possibly less. The UK has very mild winters and cool summers due to the gulf stream and being an island and is one of the cloudiest places in the world, especially in summer.

England is not hot in summer its absolutely freezing especially in comparison to other locations further north in Europe with London actually being one of the most comfortable and warmest places despite this month having a mere 7 days 25 degrees or above. Where I lived in Manchester 22-23 degrees was a good day even in July!
Given that you ignored my last post here it is again -


The UK has similar weather to Northern France, which is 20 miles off the coast, and the Benelux countries, whilst countries such as Switzerland have far more rain.

The UK also has less severe winters than Northern Europe.

Most people in the UK do go abroad to the Mediterranean, and Europe is quite compact compared to many continents and it's only 638 miles as the crow flies between London and Nice in the South of France, which amounts to a couple of hours on a standard passenger plane.

The cheapest price that I googled is £14 one way, although I am sure you could get a combined return ticket for around £30.

A lot of young people just buy a tent and head for the South of France or the Mediterranean, which has numerous camp sites, and you can have a fairly cheap holiday going by budget airline.

In terms of Manchester it's in the Pennines hills and receives more rain, indeed the western hills in the UK account for a good deal of the UK's rain, with the east and areas such as East Anglia being far drier. Rainfall therefore varies from region to region in the UK.

Scandinavian countries are often light for six months of the year and dark for the other 6 months and are not comparable to the UK, and neither is Moscow with it's severally cold winters.

You can see the rain fall distribution in the map in the Meteorological Office link below -

How much does it rain in the UK? - Met Office

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Old 07-30-2021, 09:26 AM
 
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People in Britain DO NOT think 20 degrees is hot, thats nonsense, London is NOT cold, overcast and rainy most of the time..........perhaps you haven't seen the link that BNW posted:-

Which are the wettest cities in Europe?

If it was rainy most of the time London would NOT be one of the driest cities, it would be a scientific impossibility no!?
If it was a sunny day with 20 degree weather in your location I guarantee most people would be in t shirts and you would barely see a jacket all day! I thought this was just northern England until I visited London one day when it was 21-22 degrees and there were more people with shorts and t-shirts than sweatshirts! People in England may not think 20 and overcast is hot but they'd still think it to be warm or mild. Almost all of the tourists who travel to the Canary Islands in January are British as they are the only Europeans who could sunbathe in 20 degree weather and not find it too cold. In Manchester when its 17-18 and sunny lots of people are in shorts and t-shirts and London is the same when its slightly warmer, albeit still cool weather.
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Old 07-30-2021, 09:31 AM
 
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Yes England had a heatwave in July with London being one of the warmest places. However, this only lasted from July 16th to 22nd with temps 26-30 degrees with most days upper 20s. That is above average for England and is classed as a heatwave even though it probably equates to an average summer day in some of the coldest parts of the US in summer like Boston or Milwaukee. the other 75% of the month has been cold and mostly cloudy. Right now in London the temperature is 18 degrees which is a normal day in mid-October in New York. Only 7/30 days this month have been 25 degrees or above and only 3/30 days have been 30 degrees or above.

https://www.wunderground.com/calendar/gb/london/EGLW

This next link shows the weather this month in Berlin, Germany which is slightly further north than London and about 2-3 degrees warmer in summer, although they have many more above average days in summer than London does, possibly due to slightly more variation in their climate. 21/30 days have been 25 degrees or above and 5 have been 30 degrees or above.


London, England Climate London, England Temperatures London, England Weather Averages

This shows London's average high in July at a cool 22 with it being colder in the mornings and evenings of an average day. Only 40% of days in July, one of the sunniest months, are sunny and it rains 13 days out of the month which is definitely not everyday but is still a considerable amount, but it is generally overcast with no rain on most days. Also the reason other cities in the world accumulate more rain than London is due to the fact that their rain is torrential and appears in the form of thunderstorms or heavy downpours lasting all day sometimes. In England it rains much more frequently, however the rain usually does not last all day, sometimes it does but not most of the time. England has sporadic drizzle and rarely heavy downpours.

Seven days above 25 degrees which isn't even heat and is room temperature, with upper 20s being tepid heat, hardly seems like the climate people will flock to for the weather in the summer with the remaining 3 weeks being cold and overcast mostly.

Parts of the western US and most notably Canada had a scorching heatwave a few weeks ago where it even hit 49 degrees twice in one town in British Columbia. Canada's heatwave was upper 30s and even 40 regularly for over a week and was dangerous considering Canada is accustomed to cooler weather in the summer and the heat they usually get is not extreme. Britain on the other hand experienced a pleasant heatwave and sunny spell recently that was by no means dangerous. The whole 'England's heat is way hotter than Spain's heat' is innaccurate as England was only upper 20s with humidity 40-50% whilst places in Spain such as Mallorca and Malaga had temperatures above 30 degrees with humidity as high as 60% during the day. In Manchester one day it was 22 degrees, people were complaining it was too hot and as hot as Spain in summer. I have no idea how people can think cool air is too hot, no matter how cold and cloudy a place they live, and especially how a toasty place like Spain in summer can be the same as what would be described as a pleasantly cool day by the rational person. England is very comfortable in summer even on the hottest days, it is only uncomfortable inside due to lack of air-conditioning. However, parts of France and essentially all of Germany have no air-conditioning despite frequent warm weather in summer and seem to adapt, despite the discomfort indoors.

Even Stockholm, Sweden which is way further north than anywhere in England has recorded 19/30 days of July being 25 degrees or above.

https://www.wunderground.com/calenda...-district/ESSB

Even Moscow, Russia which is as far north as Edinburgh/Glasgow in Scotland has recorded 10/30 days in July 30 degrees or above which is more days than London has had above 25 let alone 30! I have no idea how many days in Edinburgh or Glasgow have been above 25, however I imagine the number to be 1 or 2, possibly less. The UK has very mild winters and cool summers due to the gulf stream and being an island and is one of the cloudiest places in the world, especially in summer.

England is not hot in summer its absolutely freezing
especially in comparison to other locations further north in Europe with London actually being one of the most comfortable and warmest places despite this month having a mere 7 days 25 degrees or above. Where I lived in Manchester 22-23 degrees was a good day even in July!
So water 'freezes' at 25 deg C now does it!? Shouldn't you be saying 'England is not ALWAYS hot in Summer its absolutely very pleasant for outdoor activities' no? Also with regards to rain it looks like I have to remind you that London is 35th out of 44 on this list:-

http://www.floodsax.co.uk/news/which...ties-in-europe
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Old 07-30-2021, 09:32 AM
 
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Given that you ignored my last post here it is again -


The UK has similar weather to Northern France, which is 20 miles off the coast, and the Benelux countries, whilst countries such as Switzerland have far more rain.

The UK also has less severe winters than Northern Europe.

Most people in the UK do go abroad to the Mediterranean, and Europe is quite compact compared to many continents and it's only 638 miles as the crow flies between London and Nice in the South of France, which amounts to a couple of hours on a standard passenger plane.

The cheapest price that I googled is £14 one way, although I am sure you could get a combined return ticket for around £30.

A lot of young people just buy a tent and head for the South of France or the Mediterranean, which has numerous camp sites, and you can have a fairly cheap holiday going by budget airline.

In terms of Manchester it's in the Pennines hills and receives more rain, indeed the western hills in the UK account for a good deal of the UK's rain, with the east and areas such as East Anglia being far drier. Rainfall therefore varies from region to region in the UK.

You can see the rain fall distribution in the map in the Meteorological Office link below -

How much does it rain in the UK? - Met Office
I didn't ignore your last post I was in the middle of typing my very long post and only read it after my post had been submitted. Yes British people travel abroad in summer regularly due to England's terrible summer weather and I don't blame them one bit for doing so. I already mentioned the very mild winter weather of Britain even warmer than some places farther south in winter like Austria and Switzerland. I also already said the reason England accumulates less rain is because the rainfall is drizzly and it doesn't rain all day long like many other locations. However England rains much more frequently than most other places in Europe. It's not the quantity of rain but the frequency which creates London's reputation as a rainy city as it does rain more there than most places abroad, even if the rainfall isn't as heavy.
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Old 07-30-2021, 09:36 AM
 
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I didn't ignore your last post I was in the middle of typing my very long post and only read it after my post had been submitted. Yes British people travel abroad in summer regularly due to England's terrible summer weather and I don't blame them one bit for doing so. I already mentioned the very mild winter weather of Britain even warmer than some places farther south in winter like Austria and Switzerland. I also already said the reason England accumulates less rain is because the rainfall is drizzly and it doesn't rain all day long like many other locations. However England rains much more frequently than most other places in Europe. It's not the quantity of rain but the frequency which creates London's reputation as a rainy city as it does rain more there than most places abroad, even if the rainfall isn't as heavy.
Drizzle is NOT common in London, most rain in London comes in the form of showers.
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Old 07-30-2021, 09:40 AM
 
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If it was a sunny day with 20 degree weather in your location I guarantee most people would be in t shirts and you would barely see a jacket all day! I thought this was just northern England until I visited London one day when it was 21-22 degrees and there were more people with shorts and t-shirts than sweatshirts! People in England may not think 20 and overcast is hot but they'd still think it to be warm or mild. Almost all of the tourists who travel to the Canary Islands in January are British as they are the only Europeans who could sunbathe in 20 degree weather and not find it too cold. In Manchester when its 17-18 and sunny lots of people are in shorts and t-shirts and London is the same when its slightly warmer, albeit still cool weather.
They are not the only European, the weather in European regions surrounding the UK is fairly similar, and in terms of Tenerife, a lot of people just go there to enjoy moderately warm weather during the winter rather than to sunbathe, and a lot of such Brits are actually OAP's and not working, hence they can take advatage of the cheaper winter prices or do you think we can all just go on holiday at the drop of a hat.

Then again the average Brit gets a holiday entitlement including public holidays of 33.5 days, compared to an average of 10 days paid holidays in the US.
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Old 07-30-2021, 09:41 AM
 
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So water 'freezes' at 25 deg C now does it!? Shouldn't you be saying 'England is not ALWAYS hot in Summer its absolutely very pleasant for outdoor activities' no? Also with regards to rain it looks like I have to remind you that London is 35th out of 44 on this list:-

Which are the wettest cities in Europe?
"Also the reason other cities in the world accumulate more rain than London is due to the fact that their rain is torrential and appears in the form of thunderstorms or heavy downpours lasting all day sometimes. In England it rains much more frequently, however the rain usually does not last all day, sometimes it does but not most of the time. England has sporadic drizzle and rarely heavy downpours."

You completely ignored what I just said about why London gets less rain its because it rains in much lower quantities, light sporadic rain not heavy downpours, this is why flooding rarely happens in England. And yes England is perfect in summer for sports, other parts of Europe, especially places like Spain/Italy/The Balkans would be uncomfortable due to the heat and humidity, which is why during the recent Euros football tournament players barely sweated while playing at Wembley in London and Hampden Park in Glasgow due to the fact the weather must have been in the teens not 30 +degrees like Seville and Budapest were.

And millions of people in England will complain that they are freezing, maybe not in summer as they have an extremely high cold tolerance even though summer is only slightly warmer than winter, 10-12 degrees or so. When people complain they are freezing it means they are cold it doesn't mean the temperature around them is below zero, you obviously know that and are immature if you're pretending to take it literally. And like I said it's been 25 degrees or warmer less than a quarter of this month, cool and overcast most of the time, you can't argue with the facts I provided especially that most of northern Europe is warmer and sunnier in summer, although similar in cloudiness to England in winter, more cloudy in some parts of Europe than England, although sunnier annually, due to the much sunnier summers. Even Stockholm Sweden is sunnier more than half of the time in July on average.
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Old 07-30-2021, 09:49 AM
 
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"Also the reason other cities in the world accumulate more rain than London is due to the fact that their rain is torrential and appears in the form of thunderstorms or heavy downpours lasting all day sometimes. In England it rains much more frequently, however the rain usually does not last all day, sometimes it does but not most of the time. England has sporadic drizzle and rarely heavy downpours."
As already explained, the weather varies and most of the rainfall is on the hills in the UK.

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And millions of people in England will complain that they are freezing, maybe not in summer as they have an extremely high cold tolerance even though summer is only slightly warmer than winter, 10-12 degrees or so. When people complain they are freezing it means they are cold it doesn't mean the temperature around them is below zero, you obviously know that and are immature if you're pretending to take it literally. And like I said it's been 25 degrees or warmer less than a quarter of this month, cool and overcast most of the time, you can't argue with the facts I provided especially that most of northern Europe is warmer and sunnier in summer, although similar in cloudiness to England in winter, more cloudy in some parts of Europe than England, although sunnier annually, due to the much sunnier summers. Even Stockholm Sweden is sunnier more than half of the time in July on average.
As already explained Irene, the UK has seasonal weather and the seasons are different.

The UK also receives weather similar to the European regions which surround it, whilst Southern, Northern and Eastern Europe often have more extreme weather.

If you consider being in total darkness in a Scandinavian winter as better weather than the UK than that's up to you.

The UK has every reason to count itself lucky in terms of weather, especially when you look at the extreme heat and extreme cold that exists across the globe, indeed the worst you can say about the British weather is that it is mild. Whilst the culture caters for this very weather.

Oh no not more mild weather.

Whilst Forest fires range across the world, or ice storms bring down pylons or hurricanes and tornados destroy everything in their path, lets have a discussion about the mild British weather, which is not dissimilar to Northern France and other regions close to the UK.
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