Which country/culture has men that value tradition/virtue (place, children)
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Ha, Japan!? The way they treat their girls is awful. Do you know what sharking is? Tourism sites have to advise women to be careful where they end on trains and what times of day without some kind of escort or group with all the groping that everyone just seems to ignore there. They actually have to put signs up telling people not take pics up girls skirts cause it's so common. If I ever go there, you'd be able to find me just based on all the red handprints on guys faces in the area.
Then you've never been there. I have multiple times. Sure there's instances, but they are rare, and most lines now have female only cars during the rush hours. And they are prosecuted when brought forward.
The anachronistic perception that people are blind to it because it is a male dominated society is just that - outdated. So what if it is male-dominated? Most men I've met there are just like any other men in civilized countries, and the women are demure for sure, but not submissive. It's more a society where men aren't afraid to be men and at least strong willed if not physically strong, and women aren't afraid to be women and demure and beautiful. Call me old-fashioned, but I like it like that. I absolutely HATE WITH A PASSION how pussified men are these days in the West because of the vitriolic womens' movements. There's a book out there by a woman who's fed up with it, titled "Just F*ck me already!" Look it up. Should be an interesting read for you.
Then you've never been there. I have multiple times. Sure there's instances, but they are rare, and most lines now have female only cars during the rush hours. And they are prosecuted when brought forward.
The anachronistic perception that people are blind to it because it is a male dominated society is just that - outdated. So what if it is male-dominated? Most men I've met there are just like any other men in civilized countries, and the women are demure for sure, but not submissive. It's more a society where men aren't afraid to be men and at least strong willed if not physically strong, and women aren't afraid to be women and demure and beautiful. Call me old-fashioned, but I like it like that. I absolutely HATE WITH A PASSION how pussified men are these days in the West because of the vitriolic womens' movements. There's a book out there by a woman who's fed up with it, titled "Just F*ck me already!" Look it up. Should be an interesting read for you.
"An interesting read for you." Very funny, what do you take me for, some humorless misandrist? I don't like "hate feminists" anymore than you do, well, I hate them. Those that don't want equality, but superiority, it really disgusts me. No one is or should ever be above anyone else, not based on gender, race, or whatever else. Trust me, I know what you're talking about and I hate it too.
"And women aren't afraid to be demure and beautiful." Well, are you trying to say something about me? Cause I like to think I am. But, that doesn't mean I can't be rowdy and have fun too and like "guy stuff" like hockey and videogames. It doesn't make me less of a girl. It doesn't make a guy less of a guy to have emotions and stuff either. Before you think I'm saying we have to assume non "traditional" roles and all that and switch, I'm not. I think anyone should be able to act like and do whatever they want. You want a be a "sensitive" guy, be that. Wanna be a "tough" guy, be that too. You can be both if you want. I can be a demure, pretty, "girly girl" and like guy stuff too. People should never give you crap for how you are or how you wanna be, and I think to try to change someone and put em down for it is just so so wrong.
All I'm saying about Japan is, like most lines have female only cars? That's the problem, it shouldn't even have to be that way. There's nothing wrong with men who aren't afraid to be men. There is something really wrong when men treat women without respect, just like there's something really wrong when women don't treat men with respect. So, I'm not arguing with you on that. All I'm saying is girls in Japan aren't in the best position is all, things could always be better. Just like things could be alot better for men here too, something alotta people really seem to be blind to.
Roxyhart, I understand that the women who don't manage to get into the women-only cars get ALL the groping concentrated on them. Meaning instead of 8 men molesting say, 18 women, the three who straggled into the former receive all the attention...
For a guy who seems to be really into religion, you seem to have surprisingly strong interest in men. Just sayin'...
If you mean me having same-sex attractions does not have to impact whether you're religious or not. It's how you act on them that matters. Even then believe there are actively gay guys who are Pro-Life and church-going.
However no I'm not looking for an old-fashioned guy to be my male lover or anything. This was in part a parody of a thread about women that dropped out of site. Still I do like, or find intriguing, the idea of a culture where modesty and chastity are valued equally for both sexes. I remember reading of a Muslim tribe in North Africa, possibly apocryphal, where both the men and the women veiled. If a group was even like that I think I could have some respect for them. Not saying I'd agree, but at least they're not just going on a view that men are lust-crazed lunatics or women are frail flowers that must be particularly protected. I think there are some Anabaptist type groups (Amish, Mennonite, Hutterite) that are fairly patriarchal but do maintain high standards for both men and women.
I think the unfairness is also part of why things before the 1960s didn't work. There was some expectation males would be "good family men" but if they catted around before marriage it was generally much more accepted. Women were to be restrained and virtuous all throughout. Judging from what my father says of the South it was fairly normal that the man would drive the woman to church, but leave after the music was done. (Some Gospel music is good and if you don't believe that consider that much R&B/Motown/Soul, and by extension rock & roll, has some Black Gospel origins)
[quote=Thomas R.;14283146]Although partly a parody I've thought of this because in my family both sexes were encouraged/expected to maintain certain standards. Also it seems like the culture now almost expects men to be crass, sex-obsessed, perpetual adolescent slobs. In the US, my country, men tend to be less religious than women.
So are their countries/cultures where
*Sexual restraint is preferred for both men and women.
*Excessive gambling or drunkenness is discouraged for both men and women.
*Protecting those weaker than themselves is encouraged of an able bodied man.
*Both sexes go to church or temple with the same frequency.
*Both sexes are expected to maintain some modesty in public.
*Men are discouraged from using foul language around children.
*They are expected to be fathers to the children they sire.
*They are expected to take responsibility for their actions.
*They are taught respect for their elders and women.
Not entirely sure all these are desirable, but I'm pretty traditional if it's applied equally to both sexes. I would have preferred if men had been given higher moral standards rather than lowering sexual/moral standards for women.[/quote
Pretty much everyone I know. I live in coastal New England.
Here's a few of them:
- Israel - Saudi Arabia
- The Vatican
- Iran
Is "sexual restraint" valued in these places? Don't they have polygyny in Saudi Arabia? And what about Iran?
Don't assume anything about theocracies. In Tibet's old theocracy there was the outward appearance of sexual restraint (i.e. celibacy), but what went on behind closed doors was of a radically different nature.
Last edited by Ruth4Truth; 07-08-2012 at 06:21 PM..
Although partly a parody I've thought of this because in my family both sexes were encouraged/expected to maintain certain standards. Also it seems like the culture now almost expects men to be crass, sex-obsessed, perpetual adolescent slobs. In the US, my country, men tend to be less religious than women.
So are their countries/cultures where
*Sexual restraint is preferred for both men and women.
I read in a paper that Poland was one of the (few?) countries where the culture discouraged promiscuity among both males and females.
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But, that doesn't mean I can't be rowdy and have fun too and like "guy stuff" like hockey and videogames. It doesn't make me less of a girl. It doesn't make a guy less of a guy to have emotions and stuff either. Before you think I'm saying we have to assume non "traditional" roles and all that and switch, I'm not. I think anyone should be able to act like and do whatever they want. You want a be a "sensitive" guy, be that. Wanna be a "tough" guy, be that too. You can be both if you want. I can be a demure, pretty, "girly girl" and like guy stuff too. People should never give you crap for how you are or how you wanna be, and I think to try to change someone and put em down for it is just so so wrong.
