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Old 01-06-2012, 08:51 AM
 
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Well, we also like to start our sentences with a "smiley" and end with compounded words like "dumb-downed".
Yea, and the period is supposed to be on the inside of the "end quote."
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Old 01-06-2012, 08:52 AM
 
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Firefox or a browser spell checker...
Spell checkers often miss grammatical errors, because if "they're", "their", or "there" is spelled correctly, for example, they won't pick up the fact that the correctly-spelled word has been used ungrammatically.
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Old 01-06-2012, 08:55 AM
 
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Spell checkers often miss grammatical errors, because if "they're", "their", or "there" is spelled correctly, for example, they won't pick up the fact that the correctly-spelled word has been used ungrammatically.

I agree, but it will help out a lot more than not having a checker. That way when people see the little squiggly line, it might make them start to pay attention a little more, maybe?
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Old 01-06-2012, 08:57 AM
 
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Yea, and the period is supposed to be on the inside of the "end quote."
I love how people are so black-and-white about grammar and style. There are plenty of grammar police out there that would argue the opposite. There are also grammar police that would say that the period is inside the quotation mark when the whole sentence is quoted, and outside when only part of the sentence is quoted. And there are grammar police that would criticize you for calling it a "quote" and not a "quotation mark". So what's your point? All this is is a game. It's about who can prove they know more, and who can be more anal retentive, etc. It has nothing to do with cognitive ability.
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Old 01-06-2012, 08:57 AM
 
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Why has our language become so dumb-downed?

One of many things that bug me is the misuse of the "possessive pronoun"
YOUR.

As in: "Your a cool guy" or "Your an important person".

Do they not teach english in school anyomore?

Do people know what a contraction is?

It should say: "You're a cool guy" .....short form of "You are a cool guy". "Your" is only used to show ownership: "Is that your car?"


I actually saw a billboard ad with the "your" used the wrong way!! A BILLBOARD!! This means that either someone didn't catch it or they don't know any better! If it's the latter, that's scary! Because more than likely, that is a college educated person!

Where are we going???
I think your taking this way to seriously.
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Old 01-06-2012, 08:58 AM
 
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Making a grammatical error once is the gap between language production and language competence at work. Making a grammatical error twice is possibly not having the education background to know better, or possibly not caring enough. It's not stupidity.
Urinating on an electric fence once is ignorance. Doing it twice is stupidity.
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Old 01-06-2012, 08:59 AM
 
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It's not that difficult to get over either.
Have you met anybody who has not gotten over it? I haven't.

I get over a person who takes up two parking spaces in a crowded lot, too. It's really not important enough to keep my attention for too long. It still bothers me.

There are many things that are bothersome - the deterioration of language being one. While you may not think it is an important matter, I do think that language is an integral part in societal functioning and well deserves some maintenance. While I will agree that language is highly dynamic, perhaps it behooves us all to make sure the language we use daily remains in a recognizable form.

"LOL, idk y u b so ^st bout dis" is just an extreme extension of this, but it certainly doesn't make communication easy.

Still, I don't know if it's an issue I would get upset over, either. There are plenty of people who use English as a second language - and errors are just to be expected.
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Old 01-06-2012, 09:04 AM
 
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I agree, but it will help out a lot more than not having a checker. That way when people see the little squiggly line, it might make them start to pay attention a little more, maybe?
My guess is that most people either don't know better or don't care enough to pay attention. I can't see the squiggly lines because I read my computer through Braille and that doesn't transfer to my Braille display, but I'm more meticulous about my grammar and spelling than most posters on CD. I do it cause it makes me feel good and I do want people to assume I am intelligent, so I play into their petty little judgments.

Having impeccable grammar has its place. It's useful for a résumé, and for emails to your boss, and for papers that you hand into your professor. Writing grammatically and spelling correctly is a sure way to win many people over, and to have a better chance of having your opinions respected and your intelligence trusted.

But that is only true to the extent that people judge you. Beyond that, on the actual neurological level, memorizing and employing a set of linguistic rules is a very small slice of all the cognitive abilities humans are capable of. A lot of what someone knows or doesn't know about grammar and spelling is a result of their education and their conditioning, and has nothing to do with their in-born intelligence. Every time someone calls a person "stupid" for making a grammatical or orthographic error, they are equating conditioning and rote memory with critical thinking and intelligence.

I am lucky to have gone to a school that really drove home correct grammar and spelling. I also just have the kind of personality where I care how my words are perceived. Not everyone has the same background or personality though.
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Old 01-06-2012, 09:04 AM
 
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I'm sorry but the whole misuse of things like "your" and "their" really get my goat. It's not a matter of having impeccable grammar, it's a matter of not coming off like an imbecile. My mother learned English when she was 33 and she doesn't make those mistakes, yet some idiots who have it as their native tongue still do.
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Old 01-06-2012, 09:07 AM
 
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Have you met anybody who has not gotten over it? I haven't.

I get over a person who takes up two parking spaces in a crowded lot, too. It's really not important enough to keep my attention for too long. It still bothers me.

There are many things that are bothersome - the deterioration of language being one. While you may not think it is an important matter, I do think that language is an integral part in societal functioning and well deserves some maintenance. While I will agree that language is highly dynamic, perhaps it behooves us all to make sure the language we use daily remains in a recognizable form.

"LOL, idk y u b so ^st bout dis" is just an extreme extension of this, but it certainly doesn't make communication easy.

Still, I don't know if it's an issue I would get upset over, either. There are plenty of people who use English as a second language - and errors are just to be expected.
People who start entire threads just based the fact that someone can't spell your/you're need to get over it. Lol.

Language doesn't deteriorate--it evolves. Humans have been using language for thousands of years and we have yet to have language deteriorate. It evolves and the people who don't like change put a negative slant on it by calling it deterioration, but it's the same change that you contributed to when your own parents and grandparents criticized you for "butchering" English (or whatever other language).

Do you realize that the fact people started replacing "thou" and "ye" with "you" was seen as language deterioration? The older generation criticized the younger generation for making a "mockery" of the language by lumping people you would "thou" in with the people you would "ye". Of course, now we use the "you" pronoun without even thinking about it. Other languages are having this same debate now, about the evolution of a formal and familiar pronoun into one pronoun for all (either the formal or the familiar). It's all part of language change. 100 years or 200 years from now, people will be using those new pronouns without even thinking about the fact that speakers today perceive the change as "deterioration".

Language is recognizable if communication happens successfully. Whether someone puts a period before or after a quotation mark does not lead to a breakdown in communication.
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