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Martha Stewart broke the law and went to jail. Is it a stretch to imagine her as a good parent?
Martha Stewart was never convicted of a felony involving guns. Nor, did she have a record before that which involved other felony convictions. The sentence she served was months long, not years.
There's a big difference.
I would never argue a petty drug offender or someone with a DUI is an unfit parent because of that alone. This is different.
Martha Stewart was never convicted of a felony involving guns. Nor, did she have a record before that which involved other felony convictions. The sentence she served was months long, not years.
There's a big difference.
I would never argue a petty drug offender or someone with a DUI is an unfit parent because of that alone. This is different.
How are the adoptive parents any better? It would appear they also see themselves as being above the law.
I would argue that what they did to the child, putting her through this, is also heinous. Difference is, the are not charged with anything. Doesn't make what they did right. So how do you choose? Because they have a nicer house or better means makes them better parents? I don't think so.
Her name isn't Tonya, it's Sonya. I've found articles online indicating that the Hodgins did not go through regular channels in their desire to keep Sonya, but that they had connections to both the social worker and the original judge in TN. There are also stories with allegations that they have an older, estranged daughter. The entire situation reeks of selfishness on the part of the Hodgins family. They refused to allow Sonya to take any of her belongings with her, and refused to follow court requests to gradually introduce her to her biological family.
Nobody has claimed that the bio father is a pillar of his community. And, it doesn't matter. He has not demonstrated he is unfit to father HIS child.
Stories like this make me an advocate for only open adoption unless there is abuse involved.
You know who he meant. Why the glee in correcting him? Actually, I thought her mane was "Grace".
Pillar of the community? HA! OK, now I can laugh.
Among families formed by adoption, he'd have to do oh...200% better than what he is doing and has done. Some one really dropped the ball here, because the house should have been inspected before Sonya was brought into it.
Why the need for all the Grandmother adoption? Doesn't grandma know how to wield a vacuum cleaner?
How are the adoptive parents any better? It would appear they also see themselves as being above the law.
I would argue that what they did to the child, putting her through this, is also heinous. Difference is, the are not charged with anything. Doesn't make what they did right. So how do you choose? Because they have a nicer house or better means makes them better parents? I don't think so.
My goodness, I feel sorry for you if you can't see the difference between violent felonies involving firearms and people who performed an act that you disagree with that didn't violate the criminal law at all.
I understand that there is no possibility that many of us are going to see eye to eye on this case. At this point, I am going to try to bow out of this conversation. If you really can't differentiate between these two things, I cannot imagine having a dialogue that would mean anything at all.
Why does everyone seem to love this guy so much? Would any of you want him as your next door neighbor? Any of you willing to let your kids sleep over his house?
Nobody said they loved him. Coincidently, one of my area's biggest drug kings was arrested for trafficking drugs and weapons. When he got out on parole, he signed is son up for boy scouts in my son's troop. I was the only person who knew who he was, and I told my husband. Everyone in the troop decided that he had a right to start a new life. There wasn't one parent who complained.
Honestly, he wasn't a terrible person. He was just one of those brilliant geniuses who went into an illegal business. If you think he wasn't brilliant because he got caught, you're wrong. He had the foresight to protect almost all of his assets. He was/is still incredibly wealthy. And why should he be considered a more terrible person than all of the wealthy businessmen and politicians who were his financial investors? Just because he got caught and they didn't? Come on, that's illogical. The guy sitting next to you on the bleachers of your kids t-ball game could be investing money in the gun trafficking business. Interest rates suck right now.
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I'm sure that Tonya is just biding her time and waiting to be returned to her family.
If it helps you sleep better at night thinking that, go for it.
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Martha Stewart was never convicted of a felony involving guns.
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My goodness, I feel sorry for you if you can't see the difference between violent felonies involving firearms...
So it's the guns. What about Oliver North? He wasn't convicted either but he admitted his heavy involvement in drug and weapons trafficking. Does he get a free pass at being considered a good father because his administration sanctioned illegal activity even though he had an ethical and moral obligation to not follow illegal orders?
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I would never argue a petty drug offender or someone with a DUI is an unfit parent because of that alone. This is different.
In my state, parents with DUI's don't get awarded custody. Getting in a car drunk is attempted murder IMO.
You know who he meant. Why the glee in correcting him? Actually, I thought her mane was "Grace".
Pillar of the community? HA! OK, now I can laugh.
Among families formed by adoption, he'd have to do oh...200% better than what he is doing and has done. Some one really dropped the ball here, because the house should have been inspected before Sonya was brought into it.
Why the need for all the Grandmother adoption? Doesn't grandma know how to wield a vacuum cleaner?
I have absolutely no idea what you are rambling on about at this point. Do a little research before you condemn the biological family, and turn down the emotion. You don't have the child's name right, and we should think you are well versed in the case?
Perhaps they did not convey valuable personal items with Sonya because they were afraid that they would be stolen or otherwise misappropriated. They are, I am certain; hopeful that their daughter will come home.
She is not Sonya's legal representative. She is a court appointed guardian. Equivalent to a CASA. Big difference! And further, this is just proof that she should keep her mouth shut. She should know better. Now I'm embarrassed for her! Her opinion is biased and will likely not be considered when all this is over.
The judge rejected her suggestion of a restraining order against the adoptive parents...he didn't even address it. Know why? Because she's not in court as an attorney in this case...she's a guardian. a biased one at that.
We can all disagree all day long. The bottom line is the party involved who actually broke the law remains bio dad. No one else! I wouldn't let this guy watch my cat.
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