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The more well off ones are T&T...the first 3 of the poorer ones could be...the last 4 don't look like they are in T&T...quite frankly they don't look like anywhere in the Caribbean except for a particular area of Port au Prince (not including the one with White or lighter skinned people) and even then, I don't think they are from Haiti...they seem to be from a place with a rapidly growing population that could produce massive swaths of shanty towns like that...I believe T&T population growth is too small to be able to produce a shanty town looking like that at this time..I have seen pictures of Laventile and it looks nothing like that...where is the traditional Caribbean zinc fence?...In one of the pictures, a small child has a coat on...I think that's southern Africa
I have never been to T&T but do not believe those last 4 of the poorer ones are from T&T without further proof
You have a point regarding the last few pictures. It might have been an incorrect source?
I got to do some more digging. I got to wonder too in certain places (even Canada) I totally think a significant portion of the people living in worse level of poverty also suffer from significant mental health or cognitive impairment. Most of the homeless population where I am from does suffer from mental health or addition problems.
^This. I also notice a tendency to use the term to discredit a country completely as a society, to pit countries against each other via a black/white analogy of 'first world' vs 'third world' and nothing in-between.
Yeah, true, I think that is what got me thinking. It has become used as an insult by certain people. In the Lochte example, I saw it in the people that were sticking up for Lochte, but mostly I think they were trying to stick up for the USA and thus needed to denigrate Brazil by calling them inferior, thus the word 3rd World.
The more well off ones are T&T...the first 3 of the poorer ones could be...the last 4 don't look like they are in T&T...quite frankly they don't look like anywhere in the Caribbean except for a particular area of Port au Prince (not including the one with White or lighter skinned people) and even then, I don't think they are from Haiti...they seem to be from a place with a rapidly growing population that could produce massive swaths of shanty towns like that...I believe T&T population growth is too small to be able to produce a shanty town looking like that at this time..I have seen pictures of Laventile and it looks nothing like that...where is the traditional Caribbean zinc fence?...In one of the pictures, a small child has a coat on...I think that's southern Africa
I have never been to T&T but do not believe those last 4 of the poorer ones are from T&T without further proof
According to the links on the images some (the worst ones) are from Haiti, New Guinea and an unnamed "African slum".
I have never been to Haiti, I have only seen it through pictures and on t.v. The poverty I have seen in person in Central America is probably comparable to that of Haiti's, but what struck me the most about Haiti is how bare the landscape looks. I mean the images I have seen the place looks very deforested and empty.
I have never been to Haiti, I have only seen it through pictures and on t.v. The poverty I have seen in person in Central America is probably comparable to that of Haiti's, but what struck me the most about Haiti is how bare the landscape looks. I mean the images I have seen the place looks very deforested and empty.
I have been to Haiti- I was young but remember that the poverty was very striking and it was a sad place.
There are four levels of developments for the economists nowadays.
- Developed countries
- Newly industrialized emerging countries
- Emerging countries
- Least developed countries
Most of those lists were devised by organisations before crisis hit. The B & R of the BRICs and the E & S of the CIVETS (Brazil, Russia, Egypt & South Africa) have little meaning to the financial companies that made those lists today. Most institutions have now downgraded those four countries especially the former three.
Developing countries also tend to be more volatile.
I view it as an outdated term. But I was influenced by a sociology course I took and the class assigned textbook noted that the term originated in the West during the time the Soviet Union still existed. One or more Western intellectuals created the terms First World, Second World, and Third World to categorize the world socio-economically during the battle for planet earth between capitalism and communism.
All capitalist nations were given the designation "First World." All communist nations were given the designation "Second World." And all countries not fitting into either (many run by military dictatorships) were lumped into the designation of "Third World."
But the term "Third World" is often used to connote nations with small middle-classes, extensive poverty issue, pervasive corruption, and underdeveloped infrastructure, just massive numbers of people living in abject or absolute poverty. This is the connotation i both understand and even use when I do use or toss about the term "Third World."
Bear in mind that the purpose of a dictionary is not to tell a reader what something is in essence or essentially, but rather to inform the reader what the commonly used meanings (definitions) of words are in X given time period. Ergo, overtime slang words make it into the dictionary.
If liberal intellectuals in the West drawing from their secular, Western value system decide to make "Third World" connote nations without legal fetal homicide laws for the mothers and medical professionals the mothers contract to perform the homicide(s), then that is what the term will in part mean for most people.
Sociologists today prefer terms like "High Income Nations," "Middle Income Nations," and "Low Income Nations." They have a minimum per capita income requirement for "Middle Income Nations" and "High Income Nations." Sociologist find this to be a more useful model and categorization for our current world. And under this model Brazil would be a Middle Income Nation. Or maybe Brazil is listed as a High Income Nation, I can't remember. Brazil would have hit the minimum per capita income requirement or only exceeded the minimum by a little. If I remember correctly the minimum per capita income to fall under the High Income Nation designation is either roughly $12,000 annually or $15,000 annually. Either way, there is a great living standard fluctuation between nations listed as High Income.
The data collected by Developmental Economists (the branch of economics that studies developing nations) shows that during the age of the Industrial Revolution during the late 19th century and into the very early 20th century, those countries in the world that failed to radically industrialized failed to economically, and infrastructurally, advance in pace with those countries that did. In fact, the data shows the industrialized nations advanced at an exponential rate. In contrast to say life in Mexico and Brazil during the 1700s and most of the 1800s in which case the data reveals that there was almost no difference between the United States and Mexico and Brazil during that time. Actually, at one time white, Protestsnt, Texans would have been viewed as "Third World" to the more cultured and ordered societies of the Mexicans in Mexico and Texas and the white Protestants on the Eastern coast cities of the United States.
But consider the exponential scale of economic growth and infrastructural development that occurred during the Industrial Revolution of the United States. Today the State of California alone has more telephone poles carrying telephone wiring than the whole of Latin America combined.
But changes in communication technology (cell phones with internet connections) allows Latin Americans today to skip over that infrastructure hurdle of too few telephone wires.
The United States today has de-industrialized itself to a significant degree and rather than creating economic growth and wealth through creating things, building real products to sell, it has enlarged the financial sector to ballon to a scale larger than even the government. The products the the financial sector sells are abstract digits and legal claims to financial investments. A casino of sorts where Americans are gamblers placing bets in the casino for big payouts over the life of their financial investment claim, as they work in their job in the service industry rather than the manufacturing industry. That's connoted as "First World" today too whereas manufacturing and creating real things for use by consumers is regarded as "Third World" today and why many manufacturing products Americans use coming "Third World Nations." But how long will the casino styled economy of the modern USA and First World Nations last in the long term? That is a question.
Today I believe Brazil has a higher per capita national income than the per capita income of the City of Benton Harbor, Michigan. My guess would be Benton Harbor was once industrialized but no longer is. I could be wrong though.
I have never been to Haiti, I have only seen it through pictures and on t.v. The poverty I have seen in person in Central America is probably comparable to that of Haiti's, but what struck me the most about Haiti is how bare the landscape looks. I mean the images I have seen the place looks very deforested and empty.
That might be because unlike the Dominican Republic, Haiti deforested much of its land a long time ago.
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