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Old 05-31-2017, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Brazil
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I don't get why Curitiba is a first-world city, in a so low income country like Brazil and being one of the most violent cities of the world. Manaus is also among the 50 most violent in the world, not exatly a safe place. Vitória and Brasília, although also very violent have higher IDH. The GDP per capita in Curitiba is about US$10,000.
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Old 06-01-2017, 04:49 AM
 
Location: Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico
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Top 5 cities...

Bogota



#Bogotá sin retoque
by Calvin, on Flickr


Bogotá
by Graça Vargas, on Flickr


Seminario Mayor de Bogota
by Guillermo Murcia, on Flickr


Medellin


Medellin 8JeDdqX by Pueblo Fuerte, on Flickr


Red Alone
by Julian Castro, on Flickr


Tranvía Medellín by CHAVO CENSURA, on Flickr


Cali


Panorámica de Cali sobre Cristo Rey by Alexander Bedoya, on Flickr


PANORAMICA ERMITA by fanaticoescarlata, on Flickr


Cali Boulevar2 by Orgullode Cali, on Flickr


Barranquilla


Barranquilla Colombia 2. by Juan Felipe Gómez, on Flickr


Norte de Barranquilla by Fernando Orozco, on Flickr


BAQ by Andrés Salazar, on Flickr


Cartagena


Cartagena, Centro de Convenciones y Bocagrande by Juan Carlos Castañeda Alsina, on Flickr


Sky Bar, a melhor vista panorâmica do Centro Histórico de Cartagena by José Nicolas Braga, on Flickr


Punta Arena
by Fredie Obregon, on Flickr

Really nice pictures, I hope I can visit both Cartagena and Bogotá one day.

That being said, do you realize that all over the continent there are trams, ports, mountains, colonial cities and skyscrapers? If you wanted to make a point, I fail to see a clear one here.
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Old 06-01-2017, 05:58 AM
 
Location: London, UK
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Really nice pictures, I hope I can visit both Cartagena and Bogotá one day.

That being said, do you realize that all over the continent there are trams, ports, mountains, colonial cities and skyscrapers? If you wanted to make a point, I fail to see a clear one here.
1. Only 3 countries in South America have trams and hardly any cities actually.

2. Everywhere has colonial towns but not all have colonial cities.

3. The point is a variety of large, distinct urban cities in one country - that's not completely repeated throughout the continent either.

4. Brazil has practically no relevant mountains.

5. I would like to see a 5th city on the continent that competes with Cartagena's skyline - if Cartagena was in Brazil it would have the 2 tallest skyscrapers in the country.

Photos are obviously not going to be enough to get a feel for the cities, the lifestyle, the sub-urban cultures, the climate, the vibe, the nature, the architecture, the working hours, the music, the infrastructure, etc. The only way to truly experience the nuances between the 5 big cities is experiencing them, don't take my word for it, everybody says the same, the following is just one example. Minute 4:40...


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Old 06-01-2017, 10:30 AM
 
Location: London, UK
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Guyana and Suriname have quite diverse populations, especially Suriname.
Yep people forget that South Asians make up nearly half of the population of these 2 countries.
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Old 06-01-2017, 11:35 PM
 
Location: Cannes
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Yeah seems hard to beat Colombia...they have everything
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Old 06-02-2017, 02:24 AM
 
Location: Brazil
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4. Brazil has practically no relevant mountains.
Just because you classify them as so?

Like have already been posted, the montain regions of Brazil are bigger than entire countries.

Including the world's biggets monoliths







As weel as the biggest monolith by the sea



Monte Roraima



Aparados da Serra



Serra dos Órgãos

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Rio - Teresópolis
by Guilherme Carvalho, on Flickr[/IMG]





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5. I would like to see a 5th city on the continent that competes with Cartagena's skyline - if Cartagena was in Brazil it would have the 2 tallest skyscrapers in the country.
What about the 15th?






I can say that Colombia doesn't have relevant river archipelagos







Or Falls




Or Wet deserts







Or Hydroelectric plants







Maybe not so many Contemporary Museums







Or Cultural Centers




And the largest Library of Latin America




Or world's biggest joint-stock oil company




Brazil has the 3th largest white population, as well the 2nd largest black population, the lasgest communities of descedents of japaneses, portugueses, italians, lebaneses - among others - of the world. Also the largest biodiversity including the largest number of varied ecossistems in the planet.
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Old 06-02-2017, 03:22 AM
 
Location: London, UK
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Nice standalone monoliths but let's be honest you have nothing like the dozens of Andean cultures from a true mountain lifestyle.

1. Mt. Roraima is actually 85% in Venezuelan territory, 10% in Guyana and 5% in Brazil, but ok I'll give you that it's a nice Tepuy, Colombia also has Tepuis but that does not create anywhere near what a true mountain range creates in terms of cultures and lifestyles both urban and rural.

2. Nice try with Vitoria, the buildings are not even half as tall as in Cartagena, in fact Cartagena's tallest are taller than anything you will find in Sao Paulo or Rio.

3. Colombia has the clash of two of the top 100 rivers which create huge Cienagas in the Caribbean lowlands, it has river archipelagos galore that have created entire civilizations like the Zenu and colonial towns like Mompox (UNESCO world heritage) - again nice try.

The rest doesn't make Brazil more complete you just have it bigger like a bigger oil station or bigger biodiversity (Colombia is 2nd in the world by the way) or a bigger library although something should be mentioned about Colombia's award winning network of libraries and literature nobel laureate. Brazil doesn't even have one Nobel laureate in any discipline. In any case those things are just bigger examples of what Colombia also has in abundance. The point is the most "complete" representation not the biggest.
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Old 06-02-2017, 05:21 AM
 
Location: Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico
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Mr Falcon, fantastic images as well as very complete picture of what makes Brazil one of the most fascinating, well known and influential countries in the world.

On my bucket list for sure.
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Old 06-02-2017, 05:22 AM
 
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I don't get why Curitiba is a first-world city, in a so low income country like Brazil and being one of the most violent cities of the world. Manaus is also among the 50 most violent in the world, not exatly a safe place. Vitória and Brasília, although also very violent have higher IDH. The GDP per capita in Curitiba is about US$10,000.
Cold statistics tell nothing... everybody know cities like Curitiba or Manaus that have drug dealers gangs wars have high homicide rates but it don’t change nothing for the citizen of these cities.

São Paulo has one of the lowest homicide rates in Brazil, I live here and tell that Curitiba and probably Manaus are safer than São Paulo city and middle class is larger in Curitiba than in São Paulo city and middle class here is also big, again, PIB percapita alone means nothing.
Brasilia every Brazilian know only has high PIB percapita because the city is filled of politician and high government employees with high salary but the city doesn’t producing enough for this PIB percapita because this the Brasilia’s neighborhood cities are filled of poverty.

Vitoria is a city that I never been so I don’t know and I prefer don’t opine.
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Old 06-02-2017, 05:27 AM
 
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Nice standalone monoliths but let's be honest you have nothing like the dozens of Andean cultures from a true mountain lifestyle.

1. Mt. Roraima is actually 85% in Venezuelan territory, 10% in Guyana and 5% in Brazil, but ok I'll give you that it's a nice Tepuy, Colombia also has Tepuis but that does not create anywhere near what a true mountain range creates in terms of cultures and lifestyles both urban and rural.

2. Nice try with Vitoria, the buildings are not even half as tall as in Cartagena, in fact Cartagena's tallest are taller than anything you will find in Sao Paulo or Rio.

3. Colombia has the clash of two of the top 100 rivers which create huge Cienagas in the Caribbean lowlands, it has river archipelagos galore that have created entire civilizations like the Zenu and colonial towns like Mompox (UNESCO world heritage) - again nice try.

The rest doesn't make Brazil more complete you just have it bigger like a bigger oil station or bigger biodiversity (Colombia is 2nd in the world by the way) or a bigger library although something should be mentioned about Colombia's award winning network of libraries and literature nobel laureate. Brazil doesn't even have one Nobel laureate in any discipline. In any case those things are just bigger examples of what Colombia also has in abundance. The point is the most "complete" representation not the biggest.
Your patriotism and loyalty with Colombia is like the patriotism and loyalty of cariocas like Mr. Falcon with Rio de Janeiro… It does not leave you to analyze impartially
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