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Old 11-08-2022, 12:49 PM
 
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I see some people don't have an idea how economic development is achieved. All I'm going to say is that anyone would had fofused on Singapore in the 1960's and 1970's, unless they knew how economic development happen they would had never imagine Singapore as it is today. Even China, which is still very backwards (don't be fool by the likes of Shanghai, Macau, etc), basically became the manufacturer of the world as foreign companies set up manufacturing centers due to cheap labor.

Sage 80 is correct regarding the mining sector and, as previously states, Haiti could have an opportunity in this, particularly on its Massif du Nord. Who knows all the riches lying underneath those mountains.

Some also say is better not to develop any sector that produces a lot of money because Haitian politicians are corrupt. If that's the case there would be no economic development anywhere in the world. You factor in developing in this case mining that some of the money it will create will "disappear," but you focus on the money that will not and focus that on further investments in other areas that will support further economic development of Haiti over the long term. As long that certain valuable metals requiring mining to extract them and turn them into money are not in protected land (national parks, scientific reserves, etc), if it can be exploited then it should.

Plus, Haiti isn't in a position to reject legitimate money creators, the country need any legitimate economic development it can have. Maybe countries like Switzerland or Singapore can find lots of valuable metals and decide not to mine them, because the people there will still live a good life with or without the mining of these metals. Haiti isn't there by a long shot.

 
Old 11-09-2022, 05:20 AM
 
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Not even manufacturing is a good idea. Look at Bangladesh and places like that, they are basically giant sweat shops, where locals are exploited by big international companies.

The most important investment is education, that's what China did. Once people are thoroughly educated, they strive to make something out of their lives. They can analyze things and hence improve them.

No idea what how educated Haitians are, though.
I guess for a small island country like Haiti getting connected to the world is important.

Why is it that other islands in that region such as Jamaica are doing so much better?
The point is that Haiti needs to do these basic things to become at least a developing country. It is very different living in a developing US$ 10,000.00 of GPD per capita country than in one US$ 1,300.00 per capita like Haiti.

Almost zero stuff are produced there, no food, no clothes, no basic infraestructure... 90% of what they get are from international AID.

African countries with similar GDP percapita at list mostly of the people live in farms and produce their own food in Haiti mostly people are urban and they are doing nothing in the cities. Haiti is a country where mostly people are beggers.

They need start walk with their own legs and only after to start think in getting higher development strategies... mostly people there are still illiterate.
 
Old 11-17-2022, 07:48 AM
 
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Almost zero stuff are produced there, no food, no clothes

90% of what they get are from international AID.
Please provide your sources for the statements above.
 
Old 11-17-2022, 10:51 AM
 
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Why would anyone want Haiti poor, weak, and on the edge of anarchy?
 
Old 11-17-2022, 11:00 AM
 
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Please provide your sources for the statements above.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/08/w...reign-aid.html
 
Old 12-02-2022, 02:45 PM
 
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Wonder if those wanting intervention are cool with it on both sides of the creole nationalist island?


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US officials in the Dominican Republic are warning “darker-skinned” Americans they are at risk of being swept up in the country’s crackdown on Haitian migrants.


The Guardian: US warns its ‘darker-skinned’ citizens of Dominican Republic’s migrant crackdown
 
Old 12-02-2022, 04:10 PM
 
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Wonder if those wanting intervention are cool with it on both sides of the creole nationalist island?

The Guardian: US warns its ‘darker-skinned’ citizens of Dominican Republic’s migrant crackdown
Ever wonder why the US embassy is the only one with this "warning?" I guess only the USA has "darker-skinned residents" in the DR, no? The USA isn't the only one with an embassy in Santo Domingo. Surely by now there should had been the embassies of other countries warning their "dark-skinned citizens" living and/or vacationing in the DR, no?

This has been widely seen as a pressure tactic from the USA as it opposes the DR increasing deportation of Haitians while the USA itself continues to deport, well, Haitians to Haiti. They also reacted with other measures including sending a few military officers to meet with the Dominican president, but this was to no avail regarding reducing deportations.

Abyway, this isn't the first time the US responds one way and then once China gets involved it responds the completely different way. It happened not too long ago when the Punta Catalina powerplant was selling part of its shares (the plant was built and owned by the DR government) but no interests appeared and not much interest from the USA. Then China got involved that it was interested and look and behold, the US embassy got concerned enough that out of nowhere US interests appeared too. That is only one of seversl ocassions when the US embassy in Santo Domingo has changed its tune when China flexes its muscle in gsining more power on the island.

Talking about China, today several Dominican newspapers had whst the business representative of China yesterday said. Until now only the US vis its embassy got involved in the immigration issue despite i\what it suggests is contrary to what it does on its territory.


https://www.elcaribe.com.do/panorama...nir-migracion/

"China rejects illegal immigration, respects the policy of the DR"

As already said, until now the US embassy was the only one putting its nose in DR's immigration policy, but now China is getting involved too and taking a stance completely opposite of the Americans. No other country has said anything, but I expect other Latin American countries plus Spain to tske the side of the DR since that's whst they always do when tensions arises with the USA, particularly on ehst is considered false since the US embassy is very careful to show any proof of what is says, its all hearsay.

Another point was thst last week the US Business Chamber had a dinner at the El Embajador Hotel in Santo Domingo. All the major Dominican businesses and/or organizations were suppose to attend. This dinner is held yearly andis very frequented by local businessmen and representatives of businesses/organization. Well, for the first time ever the event had a noticeable decrease in attendance. This was done as a protest against the declarations of the US embassy which are considered to be false and exaggerations. This too was before China became the second country to voice its opinion regarding the migration policy.

Only time will tell what will be the reaction from the US embassy now that China supports the DR, given that the US embassy always reacts and/or backsdown once the Chinese are in the picture. As we all know, China is wuickly becoming a global power to be taken into account.

All the pressure from the US government has been to no avail so far as nothing has changed the current migration policy. If anything, it has caused an increase as the country is showing the US government that it's not telling the DR what to do. If the US embassy would had been like thst of the other countries in Santo Domingo, perhaps this increase would had never happened.
 
Old 12-03-2022, 08:41 AM
 
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Well I guess its confirmed the "intervention for thee but not for me" sentiment.

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Old 12-03-2022, 08:56 AM
 
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Well I guess its confirmed the "intervention for thee but not for me" sentiment.
Can't answer why the US embassy is the only one with this "warning?" Oh darn...


By the way, the story about China's support of the DR came out yesterday morning. In the evening a new story came out:

"USA: Senate Committee will Review Resolution of Increasing Bilateral Cooperation with the DR"

https://www.diariolibre.com/usa/actu...con-rd/2159231

Wow, increasing cooperation with what has been an ally of the USA since last century at least. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the increasing Chinese influence, not at all. lol
 
Old 12-03-2022, 01:19 PM
 
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Can't answer why the US embassy is the only one with this "warning?" Oh darn...

By the way, the story about China's support of the DR came out yesterday morning. In the evening a new story came out:

"USA: Senate Committee will Review Resolution of Increasing Bilateral Cooperation with the DR"

https://www.diariolibre.com/usa/actu...con-rd/2159231

Wow, increasing cooperation with what has been an ally of the USA since last century at least. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the increasing Chinese influence, not at all. lol
As far as I know the Guardian is not a paper from the states.

And for the record, the eugenics policies (in regard to immigration & notions of "improve the race") of the states & societies of both nordic north amerigo-land & 'spani south amerigo-land have been pretty similar throughout their bourgeois pseudo-nationalist phases.

The eugenics model among the eastern eurasian despotics is also something I've never been a defender of.

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But it was part of the Eugenics Protection Law - yes, it really was called that.

It had nothing to do with giving women more control over their reproductive health. Rather, it was about preventing "inferior" births.

Article 1 of the law says: "To prevent birth of inferior descendants from the eugenics point of view and to protect the life and health of the mother as well."

The Eugenics Protection Law was renamed and updated in 1996, when it became the Maternal Health Protection Law.

But many aspects of the old law remained.
BBCNews: Abortion pill: Why Japanese women will need their partner's consent to get a tablet
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