U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > Arizona
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 03-30-2014, 01:00 PM
 
8 posts, read 32,308 times
Reputation: 33

Advertisements

Anyone living in St Johns and Springerville area, in looking at a 2000 map of existing 23 gas drilling wells, east of Hwy 180/191 between R28E to R31E from T13N to T9N, and in 24 Jan 2013 Arizona Geology article states that "A flow rate of 9 MMCFD is many times larger than anything encountered in the field so far. Kinder Morgan expects to drill as many as 25 wells in the field in the next year."

Does anyone have a map or know where Kinder Morgan is going to drill 25 more additional gas wells?

Does anyone know if this is going to be in or around Elk Valley Ranch? St Johns?

Has the fracking caused any problems for those who live near these wells?

Anything else you would like to share would be appreciated.



For those who are not aware of what Fracking is, I will summarize. A lot of water is mixed with lubricating chemicals are force thousands of feet underground into shale and or bedrock, fracturing them so gas can be extracted. Most of the polluted water used is then put into a cemented well in the ground to prevent contaminating the underground water. As the earth resettles from the fractures, generally small earthquakes are felt--unless a large underground cavern no longer has pressure to remain open and collapses. Hopefully as the ground resettles, the tremors are not large enough to crack the cement wells that holds the contaminated water.
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 03-30-2014, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Looking over your shoulder
31,304 posts, read 29,618,966 times
Reputation: 84377
Thumbs down Kinder Morgan & Fracking

When drilling they use a cement casing put into the ground from the top down, this cement casing cracks (at times) and allows the fracking water with chemicals to leak out into the nearby water table. Also when extracting the natural gas during the process can also leak out into the water table. Pollution to the underground water seems to be a common issue with fracking.

I’m not familiar with the area you’re talking about other than it’s up in northeast AZ, do you know if it is on Native American reservation land? Is that in the Lyman Lake state park area?

Kinder Morgan is the company that had the gas pipeline break in Tucson about ten years ago that carried gas and oil products to the Phoenix area. It created a gasoline shortage in the area for months and drove the prices upwards to $5 a gallon.

Kinder Morgan to pay $6M for 2003 gas pipeline break - Phoenix Business Journal
http://www.azdeq.gov/environ/waste/s...silverfact.pdf

Last edited by AksarbeN; 03-30-2014 at 06:07 PM..
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-30-2014, 08:18 PM
 
8 posts, read 32,308 times
Reputation: 33
According to this map of existing gas wells, it is just south about 3 miles from St Johns to Springerville on 180/191, and on the north side of 60. It would be east of Lyman Lake State park, unless there is a map of them fracking between there and St. Johns/Springerville. From St Johns/Springerville, drilling is covered all the way east into New Mexico. It is a PDF map and attached to a report.

In Arizona -- Apache County, just south of St Johns & North of Springerville:
T11N is one on the border of R29E/R30E
T12N are 6 from R28E to R30E
T11N are 6 from " " "
T10N are 6 from " to R31E (just northeast of the 60 and 180/191)
T9N are 3 from R29 to R31E (northeast of Springerville and north of 60)

Between the above in Arizona, Just on the New Mexico boarder are from R21W to R19W ...total 8.
Remember this was documented over 14 years ago, so since Kinder Morgan moved in the area, took over the existing wells, and have drilled new wells. The depth of the wells range from 861' to 3600'. The mountain range is the White Mountains.

The land is on BLM,government land, and private property. Unfortunately, the owners of land had the mineral rights bought under them so they really have no say if a well is drilled on their property. That is why I am concerned about Kinder Morgan's expectation to drill 25 more wells. I want to buy some acreage out there and need to know if this land is going to be affected.

I can't believe that our only resource in Arizona, water, that Brewer would allow the possibility of contaminating the underground water.
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-31-2014, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Looking over your shoulder
31,304 posts, read 29,618,966 times
Reputation: 84377
In 2012 the pipeline company KinderMorgan paid $30 million for fields rich in CO2 (and helium) near the town of St. Johns in eastern Arizona.
The Navajo Nation Oil & Gas Company said in 2013 that it will seek a state permit from the Oil & Gas Conservation Commission to explore the Shale.


I have no idea if this is the same program or just another issue.

Arizona and fracking - SourceWatch

.
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-31-2014, 03:53 PM
 
2,634 posts, read 2,573,336 times
Reputation: 2459
Quote:
Originally Posted by AksarbeN View Post
In 2012 the pipeline company KinderMorgan paid $30 million for fields rich in CO2 (and helium) near the town of St. Johns in eastern Arizona.
The Navajo Nation Oil & Gas Company said in 2013 that it will seek a state permit from the Oil & Gas Conservation Commission to explore the Shale.


I have no idea if this is the same program or just another issue.

Arizona and fracking - SourceWatch

.
Looks like the Navajo Nation is more progressive about fracking than our venerable eco sectarians
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-31-2014, 03:59 PM
 
2,634 posts, read 2,573,336 times
Reputation: 2459
Quote:
Originally Posted by AksarbeN View Post
When drilling they use a cement casing put into the ground from the top down, this cement casing cracks (at times) and allows the fracking water with chemicals to leak out into the nearby water table. Also when extracting the natural gas during the process can also leak out into the water table. Pollution to the underground water seems to be a common issue with fracking.

I’m not familiar with the area you’re talking about other than it’s up in northeast AZ, do you know if it is on Native American reservation land? Is that in the Lyman Lake state park area?

Kinder Morgan is the company that had the gas pipeline break in Tucson about ten years ago that carried gas and oil products to the Phoenix area. It created a gasoline shortage in the area for months and drove the prices upwards to $5 a gallon.

Kinder Morgan to pay $6M for 2003 gas pipeline break - Phoenix Business Journal
http://www.azdeq.gov/environ/waste/s...silverfact.pdf

Several things do not make sense in this post or are questionable. We are fracking for more than ten years now in great industrial scale and where are the above prescribed great catastrophes? Also, natural gas in drinking water is described since the 1930s, long before fracking was even dreamed about. Tell us about something relevant to fracking.
Regarding the pipeline that broke around 2002 or so: how expensive would gasoline be without pipeline? I guess we would pay >$5 anytime, so I would be grateful for it to be there. You miss it when it's gone for sure.
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-31-2014, 04:13 PM
 
Location: The Natural State
1,223 posts, read 1,503,168 times
Reputation: 1178
For what it's worth, here is the experience we have had with Fracking in a gas field in north Arkansas. They have had numerous "earthquakes" in the area since the drilling started. Some have blamed it on the disposal wells. Some quakes not so minor. Of course the companies say they are unrelated to the drilling and disposal wells, but after the state stopped them from the disposal well use the quakes almost stopped. Still an occasional minor one. We have also had problems with them properly disposing the resulting sludge.

Another problem indirectly a result of the drilling is the destruction of the area roads by the heavy trucks and trailers. The asphalt roads were completely destroyed and the dirt/gravel roads were so deeply rutted it was difficult for the local farmers/residents to drive over them.
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-31-2014, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Western AZ
209 posts, read 387,475 times
Reputation: 215
Quote:
Originally Posted by AksarbeN View Post
When drilling they use a cement casing put into the ground from the top down, this cement casing cracks (at times) and allows the fracking water with chemicals to leak out into the nearby water table. Also when extracting the natural gas during the process can also leak out into the water table. Pollution to the underground water seems to be a common issue with fracking.

I’m not familiar with the area you’re talking about other than it’s up in northeast AZ, do you know if it is on Native American reservation land? Is that in the Lyman Lake state park area?

Kinder Morgan is the company that had the gas pipeline break in Tucson about ten years ago that carried gas and oil products to the Phoenix area. It created a gasoline shortage in the area for months and drove the prices upwards to $5 a gallon.

Kinder Morgan to pay $6M for 2003 gas pipeline break - Phoenix Business Journal
http://www.azdeq.gov/environ/waste/s...silverfact.pdf
I've been involved in exploration and production (including the frac process) for over 44 years. Perhaps you can provide your sources for the information you listed in your first paragraph.
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-31-2014, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Looking over your shoulder
31,304 posts, read 29,618,966 times
Reputation: 84377
Here are just a few sources for information; however there's an unlimited amount of data when a person takes the time and researches issues surrounding fracking. As long as it’s not my drinking water that is contaminated then things must be alright…… However there isn’t just one accident or one problem with fracking and too many people have had health issues because of fracking on or near their property.

Is fracking behind contamination in Wyoming groundwater? : Nature News & Comment

4,700 Gallons Of Acid Spill At Bradford County Drilling Site | StateImpact Pennsylvania

earthquake | StateImpact Texas

Shell’s Tioga County Methane Geyser Captured On Video | StateImpact Pennsylvania

Perilous Pathways: How Abandoned Wells Can Contribute To Methane Migration Problems | StateImpact Pennsylvania
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-31-2014, 11:02 PM
 
Location: Looking over your shoulder
31,304 posts, read 29,618,966 times
Reputation: 84377
Retired EPA engineer Wes Wilson and retired Bureau of Reclamation official Phil Doe at Colorado Springs share their knowledge of drilling and hydraulic fracturing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7XgoekcrBw



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1A3x7AyIVo


I'm sure the residents of the St Johns and Springerville area would like to have their drinking water without pollutants from chemicals used while fracking. It's a very isolated area of the state but Arizona can't afford to pollute "any" water source in the state.

Last edited by AksarbeN; 04-01-2014 at 12:21 AM..
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Settings
X
Data:
Loading data...
Based on 2000-2020 data
Loading data...

123
Hide US histogram


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > Arizona

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2021, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top