Californization of Arizona, where to move to? (Phoenix, Scottsdale: wages, live in)

[Movn-on]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

First of all I am not a "he", and in the second place in California only AGI over 1 million dollars (for a single filer) is taxed at 13.3%. I sure wish I earned enough to pay 13.3% but unfortunately I don't.

My bad, I should have said “zie”

[Burkmere]

Originally Posted by Movn-on

My bad, I should have said “zie”

However, even middle class incomes are taxed at a high state income tax rate in CA. Oh, if I could only have all that money back. I could live in Beverly Hills!! Wait....

[Burning Madolf]

Originally Posted by Burkmere

However, even middle class incomes are taxed at a high state income tax rate in CA. Oh, if I could only have all that money back. I could live in Beverly Hills!! Wait....

I always equate the income taxes collected in places like CA (or CT/NY/MA where I came from) to minimum monthly payments on a huge credit card debt. The pols claim to be trying to keep taxes low for the middle class when in fact they take as much as they can get away with in order to service their runaway debt/unfunded obligations.

[citizensadvocate]

Tempe, I heard is a very progressive part of Arizona.
Next to Bisbee, Sedona, and Flagstaff,

The purpose of my posts are not that Arizona is better at everything compared to California, of course it has issues(I don't just mean the extreme heat and dust) as well as room for improvement. I.e decriminalization of certain substances.

Its just that if one moves to Arizona from California we don't want to have all the bad of California without the goods. And don't like to head where California is heading.
Though the prohibition on certain local ordinances are a good start.
You know they use the excuse reduce litter, though the truth according to department of works waste audits, and Google street view photos that take pictures of the same places multiple times a year all show that litter got much worse whereever such ordinances controlling behavior at the stores were passed with no exceptions.
Its all about looking good. I am disappointed at people's apathy, though it appears voting is just an illusion of control these days. Every politician on the ballot have the exact same agenda. Everything is already well planned and the agenda set well before the ballot box becomes available to the masses people other than extremists eventually gives up.

[Bert_from_back_East]

Due to its service-oriented economy, Arizona is a terrible place to live, if you want a job that pays more than $25/hour. And if you find a job that pays $25/hour, you better hang onto that job for dear life. Because if you lose that job, then it is very unlikely that you will find equivalent employment within the standard unemployment period of six (6) months. This rule applies to those who are educated/skilled and those who are not.

As a reminder, the “Four R’s” of the Arizona economy are as follows:

1. Real Estate and related support services
2. Recruiting
3. Rental Car
4. Retail

I suspect the substandard economic conditions of Arizona are the result of economic policies that cater to conservative retirees from California and the Midwest, limited natural resources to sustain the state’s burgeoning population and the fact that the largest institution of higher education in Phoenix, Arizona and the United States of America at large is a diploma mill with few, if any, admissions requirements (i.e., Arizona State University). Corporations account for all of the above when selecting a city to set up shop.

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by Bert_from_back_East

Due to its service-oriented economy, Arizona is a terrible place to live, if you want a job that pays more than $25/hour. And if you find a job that pays $25/hour, you better hang onto that job for dear life. Because if you lose that job, then it is very unlikely that you will find equivalent employment within the standard unemployment period of six (6) months. This rule applies to those who are educated/skilled and those who are not.

As a reminder, the “Four R’s” of the Arizona economy are as follows:

1. Real Estate and related support services
2. Recruiting
3. Rental Car
4. Retail

This is pure nonsense and sounds like a bad talking point from 1992, MAYBE. Rental cars? That's what you think is driving much of our economy?

We have plenty of doctors, lawyers, accountants, IT professionals, engineers, software developers, etc. and others making well over $25/hour (that's only $52k/yr) that would beg to differ with this weird premise.

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by Bert_from_back_East

Due to its service-oriented economy, Arizona is a terrible place to live, if you want a job that pays more than $25/hour. And if you find a job that pays $25/hour, you better hang onto that job for dear life. Because if you lose that job, then it is very unlikely that you will find equivalent employment within the standard unemployment period of six (6) months. This rule applies to those who are educated/skilled and those who are not.

As a reminder, the “Four R’s” of the Arizona economy are as follows:

1. Real Estate and related support services
2. Recruiting
3. Rental Car
4. Retail

I suspect the substandard economic conditions of Arizona are the result of economic policies that cater to conservative retirees from California and the Midwest, limited natural resources to sustain the state’s burgeoning population and the fact that the largest institution of higher education in Phoenix, Arizona and the United States of America at large is a diploma mill with few, if any, admissions requirements (i.e., Arizona State University). Corporations account for all of the above when selecting a city to set up shop.

This is total nonses, Arizona has good wage growth, job growth and wealth growth, why are you posting such nonsense the average wage in Phoenix is like 27$ an hour as of 2018.

The average.

Go away


Edit: after reading through his posts I believe this poster is a total troll, all he has done is spew nonsense about Palm Springs and Indio being trendier than Scottsdale (lol what?? Are you 85???)

Edit 2: after reading further it seems this poster is simply obsessed with his weird fantastical love of California and specifically ****ting on Arizona as well as other places outside of California or New England.

Who hurt you Bert?

Stop responding to him

[xPlorer48]

Originally Posted by Hschlick84

Stay in California, fix your state. Don't change other western states to mini-California. Washington, Oregon, Colorado, and Nevada are already screwed up.

Yes, this has been happening for a long time. If you move here, please do not try to change our state to what you left behind. We of the PNW have our own culture. I understand Prescott, a lovely town, is really being overrun.

[Hiruko]

Originally Posted by Bert_from_back_East

Even the desert areas of Southern California are a lot different from Arizona, IMO, with Rancho Mirage / Indian Wells / Indio being trendier and more upscale than most equivalent areas of Phoenix.

I think that the Camelback Corridor and Scottsdale are more upscale and trendier than the Palm Springs area. LGBT does not equal trendy.

[Adamson865]

Originally Posted by Hiruko

I think that the Camelback Corridor and Scottsdale are more upscale and trendier than the Palm Springs area. LGBT does not equal trendy.

You mistakenly think of Rancho Mirage and Indian Wells as "the Palm Springs area". I lived in Palm Springs. RM and IW are entirely different, and truly epitomize upscale. Palm Springs is trendy. Those are two different things.