AZ liveable after the Climate-change?

[AnywhereElse]

The way I heard it was that with the ice caps melting it would be cooler and the growing seasons shorter because of the cold which would reduce crops -food. With all the upcoming issues, I wouldn't really try to over think it. It won't be good.

[Howard Roark]

What climate change?

Oh the one predicted by Gulfstream socialist Al Snore? He only wants more political power. That's how his type is. They want control over industry and individuals.

BTW: He emits many times more carbons than you do in a year just by him flying one round trip in his jet, which is provided by a cabal of limousine socialists.

Originally Posted by Najt

If nothing improves, does anybody have any idea how the Climate-change will hit Phx and Tucson, when it may not be liveable?

We up north will get milder winters, Spain will get hotter summers, similar to AZ I guess and within decades.

[ComeBack_Kid]

Originally Posted by azloafer

If we can't believe Al Gore, who can we believe?

Jesus? Allah? Buddha? Tom Cruise with his witchcraft maybe?

[Najt]

We wish its a hoax but cant take any chances and need to change energysystems anyway, so why wait and not now, when we risk all human life?

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by Najt

We wish its a hoax but cant take any chances and need to change energysystems anyway, so why wait and not now, when we risk all human life?

I will take my chances that Global Warming is a crock till further proof is shown----------the alleged causes of it have been around for hundreds of years but GW is only proving to be a factor just recently?

Why I say that is many sudden changes in specific conditions were indeed manmade---------and, the sources were quickly identified and corrected.

Ozone hole over Antarctica was due in large part to the escape of R12 Freon into the atmosphere: once that refrigerant was banned for use in cars/trucks starting 1994---------the hole started to shrink.

Smoking in public places is being legislated out of existence and the heart attack rate is plummeting along with many cancers.

HRT for post menopausal women proved to be a major cause of breast cancer---------the rate of which is dropping like a stone.

Lead is now banned as a gasoline derivative and apparently hyperactivity in certain children is dropping.

One catches my drift.

[Najt]

Originally Posted by ArizonaBear

I will take my chances that Global Warming is a crock till further proof is shown----------the alleged causes of it have been around for hundreds of years but GW is only proving to be a factor just recently?

Why I say that is many sudden changes in specific conditions were indeed manmade---------and, the sources were quickly identified and corrected.

Ozone hole over Antarctica was due in large part to the escape of R12 Freon into the atmosphere: once that refrigerant was banned for use in cars/trucks starting 1994---------the hole started to shrink.

Smoking in public places is being legislated out of existence and the heart attack rate is plummeting along with many cancers.

HRT for post menopausal women proved to be a major cause of breast cancer---------the rate of which is dropping like a stone.

Lead is now banned as a gasoline derivative and apparently hyperactivity in certain children is dropping.

One catches my drift.

When 100%

further proof is shown

its to late to stop and may be to late already, cause what we take up in a very short time and are burning, is not a natural cause that have happened before.
When smoking was up, Fred Singer was bought and disputed its danger, he lost. Now he and others are bought by Exxon and dispute climate-problems.

They only hang up on CO2 (carbondioxide) when Methane now is melting and a much larger danger. I read it can explode, can search that link.

Oil gas and coal will come to an end and must be changed to sustainable sources anyway soon, coal and oil are not clean and have always been a problem, despite its benefits.

I have small children and research may give us all much longer lives soon.

We can get a lot solarpower, all we need in fact, then waiting for "synthetic photosynthesis" to copy how our plants get energy.

There are no dispute among climate-experts what we have to do, Bush have been a large danger against what most governements think. But now its Change. Tuffest may be to stop China as is worse than US today.

I also have shares in an oil-comany but cant care if they drop, when GW can kill us and/or our (grand)children.

So why wait?????

[Najt]

Mark Lynas on how global warming will affect the Earth | Books | The Guardian

This moment comes as the hundreds of billions of tonnes of carbon locked up in Arctic permafrost - particularly in Siberia - enter the melt zone, releasing globally warming methane and carbon dioxide in immense quantities. No one knows how rapidly this might happen, or what its effect might be on global temperatures, but this scientific uncertainty is surely cause for concern and not complacency.

One scientific paper investigating "kill mechanisms" during the end-Permian suggests that methane hydrate explosions "could destroy terrestrial life almost entirely". Acting much like today's fuel-air explosives (or "vacuum bombs"), major oceanic methane eruptions could release energy equivalent to 10,000 times the world's stockpile of nuclear weapons.

[Najt]

Nasa's James Hansen warns Barack Obama on climate change | Environment | guardian.co.uk

[ArizonaBear]

Najt: let me say it again; I will take my chances that Global Warming is a crock. I am old enough to remember the fear of Nuclear Winter (the Earth cooling down due to mankind 30 years ago) so needless to say: till I see better proof----------forget it.