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I'm pretty sure Jakarta-Bandung will be the only fully HSR service in Southeast Asia when it opens later this year with the only other HSR service being the Boten-Vientiane line in Laos which is more properly referred to as higher-speed rail. I think the line is fantastic and I hope it soon expands eastwards through all of Java.
Yes, high frequency, high capacity lines like the Jakarta MRT can move a lot of people. How busy it is is can vary by time of day, but it can also be a sign that the city is under-serviced by high frequency, high capacity lines. The Jakarta MRT's single line is pretty much the only one within the city as other services are light metro, commuter rail, or bus services. Bangkok in contrast has several lengthy high frequency, high capacity lines.
That ranking you posted was from 2016-2017 and basically put Indonesia and Thailand as tied. I'm not sure I'd agree that was true at the time, but in regards to Jakarta and Thailand, it's definitely not true now. In the several years since 2016-2017, Bangkok has opened a lot of extensions and new rail lines and these are mostly high frequency, high capacity rapid transit lines. Remember, this is more of these high frequency, high capacity rapid transit lines covering larger distances in a city that's much, *much* less populous. I think at this point Bangkok is very clearly the more developed city and with more extensive transit infrastructure. I think the only major change in rankings coming among Southeast Asian megacities is that Kuala Lumpur will probably reach 10 million people pretty soon and be a megacity and that will likely be some fierce competition for Bangkok.
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I'm pretty sure Jakarta-Bandung will be the only fully HSR service in Southeast Asia when it opens later this year with the only other HSR service being the Boten-Vientiane line in Laos which is more properly referred to as higher-speed rail. I think the line is fantastic and I hope it soon expands eastwards through all of Java.
Yes, high frequency, high capacity lines like the Jakarta MRT can move a lot of people. How busy it is is can vary by time of day, but it can also be a sign that the city is under-serviced by high frequency, high capacity lines. The Jakarta MRT's single line is pretty much the only one within the city as other services are light metro, commuter rail, or bus services. Bangkok in contrast has several lengthy high frequency, high capacity lines.
That ranking you posted was from 2016-2017 and basically put Indonesia and Thailand as tied. I'm not sure I'd agree that was true at the time, but in regards to Jakarta and Thailand, it's definitely not true now. In the several years since 2016-2017, Bangkok has opened a lot of extensions and new rail lines and these are mostly high frequency, high capacity rapid transit lines. Remember, this is more of these high frequency, high capacity rapid transit lines covering larger distances in a city that's much, *much* less populous. I think at this point Bangkok is very clearly the more developed city and with more extensive transit infrastructure. I think the only major change in rankings coming among Southeast Asian megacities is that Kuala Lumpur will probably reach 10 million people pretty soon and be a megacity and that will likely be some fierce competition for Bangkok.
this is China's ambitious Project, the first train with a speed of 350 KM - 400 KM and compared to HSR Laos is Semi not fast so the shape of the train is also different . Indonesia dares to take the risk even though this Project is very Expensive than we are countries that don't have it at all and is very profitable for transportation between provincial cities. yeah Cities in Southeast Asia, including Bangkok will build high-speed trains but is are Semi-fast trains with low speeds of 220 KM and different with HSR Jakarta-Bandung is speeds of 350 Km - 400 KM
the latest ranking is released Public Transport the best is Jakarta slightly better than Bangkok
this is China's ambitious Project, the first train with a speed of 350 KM - 400 KM and compared to HSR Laos is Semi not fast so the shape of the train is also different . Indonesia dares to take the risk even though this Project is very Expensive than we are countries that don't have it at all and is very profitable for transportation between provincial cities. yeah Cities in Southeast Asia, including Bangkok will build high-speed trains but is are Semi-fast trains with low speeds of 220 KM and different with HSR Jakarta-Bandung is speeds of 350 Km - 400 KM
the latest ranking is released Public Transport the best is Jakarta slightly better than Bangkok
Yea, it's very ambitious and it's great as the elongated shape of Java makes this a very sensible move. Thailand supposedly has true HSR plans on the docket, but there's little telling when they'll come to fruition.
The latest ranking is from when though? You cited a link from 2016-2017. It's 2023 now and with a lot more high capacity, high frequency rapid transit having opened in Bangkok compared to Jakarta and Manila. Is there a newer one you're referencing now?
Yea, it's very ambitious and it's great as the elongated shape of Java makes this a very sensible move. Thailand supposedly has true HSR plans on the docket, but there's little telling when they'll come to fruition.
The latest ranking is from when though? You cited a link from 2016-2017. It's 2023 now and with a lot more high capacity, high frequency rapid transit having opened in Bangkok compared to Jakarta and Manila. Is there a newer one you're referencing now?
here Rank Public Transportation 2023 , Jakarta is still above Bangkok
Jakarta Transportation Public still far above Manila .. Manila transportation cannot be compared with Jakarta
Holy crap that ranking is odd. San Francisco at number 16 for transit above Madrid and Barcelona? Helsinki above Paris and Berlin? Jakarta above Bangkok? Their rankings aren't really sensible.
I looked at their methodology and they generally obscure it except to say:
Quote:
Measures cities on public transit density, efficiency, and utilization rate and the extent to which they can adapt to address competition from emerging mobility services
That last part seems to be weighted heavily and is pretty divorced from what makes public transit effective and useful.
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Holy crap that ranking is odd. San Francisco at number 16 for transit above Madrid and Barcelona? Helsinki above Paris and Berlin? Jakarta above Bangkok? Their rankings aren't really sensible.
I looked at their methodology and they generally obscure it except to say:
That last part seems to be weighted heavily and is pretty divorced from what makes public transit effective and useful.
I'm also confused that Delhi can be above Jakarta and Bangkok even though the transportation there is still shabby, let alone the infrastructure is still underdeveloped. that Malaysia is very far above Jakarta and Bangkok we belive because transportation in Malaysia is very good. rank that's the reality.. look at the list rankings 1 - 15 of all from developed countries
I'm also confused that Delhi can be above Jakarta and Bangkok even though the transportation there is still shabby, let alone the infrastructure is still underdeveloped. that Malaysia is very far above Jakarta and Bangkok we belive because transportation in Malaysia is very good. rank that's the reality.. look at the list rankings 1 - 15 of all from developed countries
Delhi makes sense because of the even faster than Bangkok's expansion of rapid transit. Delhi Metro is at 391 km of track, 12 lines, and 287 stations for rapid transit with a good chunk of it having opened over the last decade. For reference, rapid transit in Bangkok is about half that and Jakarta is at about a tenth of that and meanwhile Delhi has a commuter rail network that's maybe on par with that of Jakarta and better than that of Bangkok.
The developed countries are why I think this list is bunk because US is a notable outlier among developed countries for public transit, and there is no way Helsinki's mass transit system is better than that of Paris, Berlin, or Tokyo even on a per capita adjustment level.
Of the three cities, I would choose Manila due to some key advantages. The warmth and welcoming nature of the Filipino people make it easy to settle in. Having beautiful beach resorts nearby provides convenient getaway options. Additionally, the cultural influence of the United States ensures that English is widely spoken throughout Manila.
Of the three cities, I would choose Manila due to some key advantages. The warmth and welcoming nature of the Filipino people make it easy to settle in. Having beautiful beach resorts nearby provides convenient getaway options. Additionally, the cultural influence of the United States ensures that English is widely spoken throughout Manila.
Yea, I do think Filipinos from my experience have been very warm people. I feel that way about Thai people as well.
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