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Now you are moving the goalposts. You claimed the USA weren't invited when they clearly were invited by SDF. And you are even further away from your original argument that a military base in Syria is some horrible offense done by the USA that can be compared with an invasion of Taiwan.
Just like Russia in Eastern Europe, China would definitely support a civil war in Taiwan, but they are not going to just setup a base, they will use the opportunity to annex Taiwan. The reason they don't do it, is not because they don't want to do it, but because it is impossible to organize anything more than a few militias that would immediately get arrested.
Read the first part of my sentence
"I am not talking about coups and I am not talking about wars 200 years ago."
I only said it was worse than being destroyed if there was a hostile invasion to annex another country. So why are you bringing up coups and Texas that wanted to join the USA?
We should learn from history even if it is not across the board. Going around claiming that an invasion is justified because you got provoked is Hitleresque. It's the kind of excuse expansionist dictators make to invade other countries.
You’re being very reasoned and patient engaging with these people, but they’re judgement is so clouded by propaganda they won’t even admit the ROC is a sovereign government but try to frame it as a province already governed by the PRC that the US is trying to convince to separate. They know it’s not true but their whole worldview depends on this lie. What really irks me is people in the political mainstream in the West buying into this whole “maybe we should just let Taiwan get invaded, who cares?”. I think there’s no good outcome unless some serious cross strait dialogue happens but AFAIK Beijing refuses to meet with any DPP politician. But yet the DPP and the Americans are getting blamed for “wanting war”. Stupid nonsense
Let me clarify my statement. Obviously, Taiwan tensions and the Iraq war are different in most circumstances. The similarity I was alluding to has to deal with the attitude of the U.S. government regarding French indifference or lack of willingness to get on board with its position towards a potential rival. This isn’t new. Since the days of Charles DeGualle France has sought to retain its foreign policy sovereignty. People forget France withdrew from NATO in 1966. What spurred this decision? Well France refused to accept any collective form of control over its armed forces, essentially sacrificing foreign policy sovereignty. Like Iraq the U.S. is attempting to get Europe on its side. Just like before, the British seem to be all in (they never learn), while France is leading resistance. The French position leads to a backlash.
https://www.azerbaycan24.com/en/quit...rom-us-michel/ ‘Quite a few’ EU leaders agree with Macron on autonomy from US – Michel
12/04/2023
They too believe that the bloc should distance itself from America’s fights, but won’t speak out, the European Council’s president claims
“Quite a few” European leaders side with French President Emmanuel Macron in his position that the EU should not be beholden to Washington’s policies, especially when it comes to China, even if they don’t say that publicly, President of the European Council Charles Michel said on Tuesday.
https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deuts...2-4540263c1a0b SPD wing warns Baerbock and Habeck against “anti-China strategy”
New tensions between the Reds and Greens: According to SPIEGEL information, the conservative SPD wing is now attacking the two most popular ministers in the eco-party. Baerbock and Habeck's China policy is determined by symbolism.
By Christian Teevs
April 14, 2023, 8:30 a.m
https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/spd-...c-ad35190cbbc9 April 14, 2023
* At 250 billion euros per year, the German-Chinese trade volume is more than four times as large as that with Russia before the Ukraine war , according to the paper. "An abrupt end to trade relations with China would be an economic disaster," the Seeheimers warn. "In this respect, a coherent China strategy must not be an 'anti-China' strategy." The authors appeal to the Federal Foreign Office to refrain from an overly confrontational attitude. Germany must strive for an “economic policy on an equal footing” with China, for example when it comes to removing barriers to direct investment on both sides.
~ youtube.com/watch?v=7t3R019CtjY German lawmaker says US soldiers and nukes must leave her country
S-Soldaten und Atomwaffen abziehen!
Fraktion DIE LINKE. im Bundestag
Mar 31, 2023
Sevim Dagdelen: Friendship with one another means breaking with the Federal Republic of Germany's previous relationship of extreme subservience to a US foreign policy that is characterized by war, violations of international law and coup support. After 78 years, it's time for the US soldiers to go home and take the nuclear weapons with them.
https://www.azerbaycan24.com/en/quit...rom-us-michel/ ‘Quite a few’ EU leaders agree with Macron on autonomy from US – Michel
12/04/2023
They too believe that the bloc should distance itself from America’s fights, but won’t speak out, the European Council’s president claims
“Quite a few” European leaders side with French President Emmanuel Macron in his position that the EU should not be beholden to Washington’s policies, especially when it comes to China, even if they don’t say that publicly, President of the European Council Charles Michel said on Tuesday.
https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deuts...2-4540263c1a0b SPD wing warns Baerbock and Habeck against “anti-China strategy”
New tensions between the Reds and Greens: According to SPIEGEL information, the conservative SPD wing is now attacking the two most popular ministers in the eco-party. Baerbock and Habeck's China policy is determined by symbolism.
By Christian Teevs
April 14, 2023, 8:30 a.m
https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/spd-...c-ad35190cbbc9 April 14, 2023
* At 250 billion euros per year, the German-Chinese trade volume is more than four times as large as that with Russia before the Ukraine war , according to the paper. "An abrupt end to trade relations with China would be an economic disaster," the Seeheimers warn. "In this respect, a coherent China strategy must not be an 'anti-China' strategy." The authors appeal to the Federal Foreign Office to refrain from an overly confrontational attitude. Germany must strive for an “economic policy on an equal footing” with China, for example when it comes to removing barriers to direct investment on both sides.
~ youtube.com/watch?v=7t3R019CtjY German lawmaker says US soldiers and nukes must leave her country
S-Soldaten und Atomwaffen abziehen!
Fraktion DIE LINKE. im Bundestag
Mar 31, 2023
Sevim Dagdelen: Friendship with one another means breaking with the Federal Republic of Germany's previous relationship of extreme subservience to a US foreign policy that is characterized by war, violations of international law and coup support. After 78 years, it's time for the US soldiers to go home and take the nuclear weapons with them.
You’re being very reasoned and patient engaging with these people, but they’re judgement is so clouded by propaganda they won’t even admit the ROC is a sovereign government but try to frame it as a province already governed by the PRC that the US is trying to convince to separate. They know it’s not true but their whole worldview depends on this lie. What really irks me is people in the political mainstream in the West buying into this whole “maybe we should just let Taiwan get invaded, who cares?”. I think there’s no good outcome unless some serious cross strait dialogue happens but AFAIK Beijing refuses to meet with any DPP politician. But yet the DPP and the Americans are getting blamed for “wanting war”. Stupid nonsense
Yeah it's a waste of time engaging with these shill accounts.
China actually have a bigger debt problem than the USA. China has massive levels of corporate and local debt, and their household debt has surged. China is also dependent on new debt creation to sustain its growth. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...t-adviser-says
The alliance was significantly weaker under Trump. And letting Russia take Ukraine would not be in the USAs interest at all.
The evidence speak for itself. 10 years ago European countries was actively condemning the USA for Iraq and criticizing NATO. Now, they are mainlty condemning Russia and Finland just joined NATO.
I disagree, China prints money to keep up with US printing. Any economists knows the world central banks prints alongside the US.
The difference is that China has the GDP to keep up. How can the US keep up with it's sovereign debt when we can only afford to pay interests on our debts. China can easily pay down their debt that's why other countries wants to trade with yuan and not dollar.
Once countries move away from dollar as the world currency, we're in deep ****. Then yuan will be the new gold standard and they can print as much as they want without pain and suffering.
The alliance was already weak before Trump, it's Trump that pointed out the fact that NATO are on US welfare checks. Without US support NATO is nothing. The alliance especially countries like Germany and France are a joke, they are working with Russia while being part of NATO. That needs to be called out and Trump called them out.
I disagree, China prints money to keep up with US printing. Any economists knows the world central banks prints alongside the US.
The difference is that China has the GDP to keep up. How can the US keep up with it's sovereign debt when we can only afford to pay interests on our debts. China can easily pay down their debt that's why other countries wants to trade with yuan and not dollar.
Once countries move away from dollar as the world currency, we're in deep ****. Then yuan will be the new gold standard and they can print as much as they want without pain and suffering.
The alliance was already weak before Trump, it's Trump that pointed out the fact that NATO are on US welfare checks. Without US support NATO is nothing. The alliance especially countries like Germany and France are a joke, they are working with Russia while being part of NATO. That needs to be called out and Trump called them out.
i thought china puts other countries into debt traps right?
there is no debt problem for both US and china, they operate completely different ways
the US operates on trillions of debts, but they can do that because dollar currency status (though it's weakening as we speak). their gdp is based on spending and economy is controlled by monetary policy through interest rates
china operates on huge surpluses/holding debts of other countries (including the US). most of the government spending is on infrastructures. their gdp is based on stuff they build, whether is for internal or external consumption. it's similar to fiscal policy of the US back in the good old days.
I disagree, China prints money to keep up with US printing. Any economists knows the world central banks prints alongside the US.
The difference is that China has the GDP to keep up. How can the US keep up with it's sovereign debt when we can only afford to pay interests on our debts. China can easily pay down their debt that's why other countries wants to trade with yuan and not dollar.
Once countries move away from dollar as the world currency, we're in deep ****. Then yuan will be the new gold standard and they can print as much as they want without pain and suffering.
The alliance was already weak before Trump, it's Trump that pointed out the fact that NATO are on US welfare checks. Without US support NATO is nothing. The alliance especially countries like Germany and France are a joke, they are working with Russia while being part of NATO. That needs to be called out and Trump called them out.
Who wants a currency that has been inflated by 400% since 2007 and that is not freely tradeable? The dollar may sink, but the yuan will never be the replacement.
And if NATO is such a joke, why is Russia so scared of NATO?
Anyone could shout out that "yuan" is replacing "dollar".
That is not what I read. The stress is on "local currency" plus "minerals" to fight inflation and poverty.
Over a year ago, we were warned: ~ youtube.com/watch?v=YUzvfAmw7mQ
Jim Rickards discusses the 'unintended consequences' of the sanctions the West is imposing on Russia
GBNews Mar 18, 2022
Quote:
"The alliance especially countries like ..... ...... ..... are a joke, ...."
~ youtube.com/watch?v=PKO_wDyww48
Poland, Slovakia and Hungary ban Ukrainian grain to protect own agriculture Apr 17, 2023
Anyone could shout out that "yuan" is replacing "dollar".
That is not what I read. The stress is on "local currency" plus "minerals" to fight inflation and poverty.
Over a year ago, we were warned: ~ youtube.com/watch?v=YUzvfAmw7mQ
Jim Rickards discusses the 'unintended consequences' of the sanctions the West is imposing on Russia
GBNews Mar 18, 2022
~ youtube.com/watch?v=PKO_wDyww48
Poland, Slovakia and Hungary ban Ukrainian grain to protect own agriculture Apr 17, 2023
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it's not anything replacing dollar.
it's dollar losing status as "exclusive" currency.
the day when every single international exchange using dollar is gone and not coming back.
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