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Old 08-08-2007, 04:54 PM
 
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Hell is hell and it's the same destination for those who deny God. Although there are some similarities in certain aspects between the Judeo/Christian and Islamic faiths, the one true messenger from the Father is the Son and he showed us how much God loves us in John 3:16 For God he so loved the world, he gave his one and only begotten Son, for whoever believes in him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17 For God sent his Son into the world not to condemn it, but to save it. - Even Mohammed, the Islamic prophet said that "The world will see the end and man will face judgement when the Son returns".

Bottom line is, when you look at the graves of Buhdah, Mohammed, Joseph Smith Jr., and others, they all have skeletons in them. When you look at tomb of Jesus, it's empty. And it's not a myth, Mary Magdelene, and the disciples saw Jesus after the resurrection, and everything that was prophesied about him, came to pass. So why should we doubt what was said in the Bible about Jesus' return and how judgement will be passed upon those who denied him?
We doubt it because the bible is a book like any other book, open to interpretation and question.

Wach out Mike, you might be converted!
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Old 08-08-2007, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Arizona, The American Southwest
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How come no one answers any of my questions? They are sincere and from a former strict Catholic. Doesn't anyone like Catholics here?
Sorry AZLoafer, I've been busy answering the questions of others.

God loves everybody, even Catholics.
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Old 08-08-2007, 05:04 PM
 
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We doubt it because the bible is a book like any other book, open to interpretation and question.
Look at the prophesies of the Old Testament, there were many instances where they wrote about Jesus hundreds of years before he came down to earth, best example is the Book of Isaiah 53. Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Why would you doubt something that was written about 800 years before Jesus was born?
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Old 08-08-2007, 05:08 PM
 
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Look at the prophesies of the Old Testament, there were many instances where they wrote about Jesus hundreds of years before he came down to earth, best example is the Book of Isaiah 53. Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Why would you doubt something that was written about 800 years before Jesus was born?
With all due respect...How do you know when that was written? Do you take that on faith or is there proof? What if it was just made up?
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Old 08-08-2007, 05:13 PM
 
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With all due respect...How do you know when that was written? Do you take that on faith or is there proof? What if it was just made up?
I not only have strong faith in what was written in Bible, but I've also seen all of the good things God has done in my life and the lives on many others, who know Jesus.
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Old 08-08-2007, 05:24 PM
 
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I not only have strong faith in what was written in Bible, but I've also seen all of the good things God has done in my life and the lives on many others, who know Jesus.
How do you know that God is responsible for the good things? What about the bad? Seriously, I have had a lot of bad things happen to me. I am disabled and I think God has abandoned me.

I always tell my wife that when I die (men normally die first) I will attempt to communicate with her and let her know if there is a heaven or if it is all one big sham. I guess I went from a strict Catholic to an agnostic. Shouldn't a just God take all that into consideration and give me a pardon for some doubt?
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Old 08-08-2007, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville,Florida
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One benefit of being an atheist is to understand that this life is the only life.
That means to value this life, to get the most from this life; to live, to experience, to learn. To view life as to what I'm doing and what I've done, instead of speculating about an afterlife.
Another benefit is not to waste time with prayer (because no one is listening), and not to expect miracles.
Still another benefit...I think what I want without the feeling that some supernatural creature is constantly looking over my shoulder, just waiting for a reason to punish me.
If thats your only benefits as an atheist, I am even more proud to call myself a Christian.
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Old 08-08-2007, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Arizona, The American Southwest
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How do you know that God is responsible for the good things? What about the bad? Seriously, I have had a lot of bad things happen to me. I am disabled and I think God has abandoned me.

I always tell my wife that when I die (men normally die first) I will attempt to communicate with her and let her know if there is a heaven or if it is all one big sham. I guess I went from a strict Catholic to an agnostic. Shouldn't a just God take all that into consideration and give me a pardon for some doubt?
Because God pulled me out of situations that would have killed others.

That's the one mistake many people make when things go wrong in their lives and that is turn away from God because you feel he has abandoned you. In many instances, it's mentioned in the Bible that God puts us through trials and tribulations to test our faith in him. Look at Abraham and Isaac when God asked Abraham to sacraifice Isaac for him, but you know how that turned when God asked Abraham to put the knife away and not harm the boy.

Look at the nation of Israel, when they were enslaved by the Egyptians for 400 years, when God sent them Moses who freed them and led them to their land, but only after 40 years in the wilderness because many have strayed from the righteous path.

If you abandon God, you'll only end up in a downward spiral. Ask a pastor from a Bible-based church and find out how restoring your faith in God can also restore you spiritually and possibly even physically. What have you got to lose?
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Old 08-08-2007, 05:40 PM
 
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Default Question For The Atheist...

What stops you from commiting crimes like stealing, murder, etc. You won't be punished, according to your beliefs. At least not if the law doesn't catch you.
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Old 08-08-2007, 05:47 PM
 
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Look at the prophesies of the Old Testament, there were many instances where they wrote about Jesus hundreds of years before he came down to earth, best example is the Book of Isaiah 53. Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Why would you doubt something that was written about 800 years before Jesus was born?

Ever hear of self-fulfilling prophesy? Maybe Jesus, knowing the prophesies very well, orchestrated an elaborate series of events that made it look like he was the one prophesied in the earlier scriptures.
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