A two and a half legged stool (hell, punishment, Mormons)

[Julian658]

Originally Posted by phetaroi

I just want to emphasize the word used in his executive order: exterminated.

I had actually been reading about this historical disgrace just a few weeks ago. Shocking in a country that supposedly believes in freedom of religion.

Are you judging the 1838 world with 2020 criteria? That is presentism!

[phetaroi]

Originally Posted by Julian658

Are you judging the 1838 world with 2020 criteria? That is presentism!

Are you saying that an American governor was appropriate in ordering the possible extermination of Mormons?

Do you actually think before you write some of these posts?

Could you tell us what decade of American history that extermination of a religious group was appropriate?

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by phetaroi

I just want to emphasize the word used in his executive order: exterminated.

I had actually been reading about this historical disgrace just a few weeks ago. Shocking in a country that supposedly believes in freedom of religion.

What's truly shocking is that this "Extermination Order" was not officially lifted until 1976. That's 1976, not 1876. People will say, "Well, sure, but it wasn't really being enforced all that time." That's irrelevant. The fact that the order existed and that thousands of people had to free Missouri to avoid being "exterminated" is disgusting.

[Harry Diogenes]

Originally Posted by Julian658

Here is an example of the religion I am talking about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdX6aVzPgHs

Here is an atheist praying:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSDd6rw2oq0

Humans are simply replacing a deity based religion for a non-deity based religion.

So replacing religion with something like philosophy makes philosophy a religion because you say so?

[Julian658]

Originally Posted by Harry Diogenes

So replacing religion with something like philosophy makes philosophy a religion because you say so?

Nope!

That atheist saying an atheist prayer at a public government function is a pseudo-religious zealot. Just watch him pray.

Those white people praying on their knees to black people are practicing a bizarre pseudo-religion too. All you have to do is watch.

[MysticPhD]

Originally Posted by Harry Diogenes

So replacing religion with something like philosophy makes philosophy a religion because you say so?

Could you just try to actually think and understand the posts you are responding to, Harry. Your inferences are an embarrassment to your intellect. When you respond "religiously" to a cause, you make of it a pseudo-religion, NOT a religion! What about that do you not understand?

[Harry Diogenes]

Originally Posted by MysticPhD

First, you are a lousy interpreter of the motives of other posters. Your mind is too closed and rigid to objectively assess anyone else.

Another worthless opinion. He fits the pattern of angry agnostic, and his method is obvious. That you can not see this is not my problem.

Originally Posted by MysticPhD

Second, a poster's motivation for posting in no way affects the truth or falsity of their post.

Mein gute Gott, you have something correct for a change.

Originally Posted by MysticPhD

When people respond and act religiously toward any cause, they are treating it as a pseudoreligion.

Dictionaries, how do they work?

[Julian658]

Originally Posted by phetaroi

Are you saying that an American governor was appropriate in ordering the possible extermination of Mormons?

Do you actually think before you write some of these posts?

Could you tell us what decade of American history that extermination of a religious group was appropriate?

Nice straw man.



All i am saying is that people that lived in the early 19th century were not as enlightened as people in 2020. There was a lot of ignorance in that era.

Presentism is a flawed way to study history Phet. We can all agree it was wrong, But, the analysis should be done in a more academic manner within the context of the era.

When I was a kid in school corporal punishment was not a big deal. Now it is not the norm.

[Harry Diogenes]

Originally Posted by Julian658

The problem with your statement is that the atheist is the one that decides whether he is treated as a real American or not.

I believe 6 million German Jews would disagree about this.

[Julian658]

Originally Posted by Harry Diogenes

I believe 6 million German Jews would disagree about this.

I don't think you get the point. The murder of the Jews is clearly verifiable by simple observation.

Let's try this:

Imagine you say the sky is colorless and for cultural reason I am deeply offended and angry at you. What would you do?