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A bunch of rich folks buying.. yachts.. ain't what makes the economy grow.
Really? Who, again, built the yacht? Who drives down to the marina and delivers the champagne, the imported cheese, the pates? Who built the truck that the food purveyor uses to make his or her deliveries? Who packaged that food? Who pumps the fuel into the yacht? Who scraps the barnacles off it every year? Who trouble-shoots his VHF radio when it blitzes? Who picks up his Maserati while he's out yachting, to tune it up, and detail it? Who built his house? Who works for his macro-corporation? Who who who....
Would a Darfurian refugee want a job with one of his companies?
And on and on and on and on. But the socialist mantra is one of "Blame the Rich", and to foment endless class envy. All the while you want to be protected by a bunch of unionist thugs, who incidentally are getting rich on your union dues. Or you want wealth re-distribution.
There are a number of unethical rich folks. There are FAR MORE who got there through risk-taking, hard work for very little initial return on investment, and employing many many others to build a company. Did Bill Gates inherit his wealth? Or did he, or Steve Jobs, or Warren Buffet, get there by hard work. And yet when they get there, and donate SIGNIFICANT $$$ to the needy, and employ millions of folks in good-paying jobs, The Obamanistas want to go and charge them not just more, but proportionately more. And he has the cajones to actually say, on national TV, to the cheers of the truly lazy, "We need to re-distribute their wealth!".
No wonder so many of them bolt for the Caribbean banks, and move their manufacturing offshore. And hire even more guys, accountants and lawyers, to try to end-run the government theft system. More power to them, I say!
BTW, have you also noted that the professors of a socialist system ALWAYS end up in really nice houses, castles, mansions, etc. The leaders in the old USSR didn't drive those horrid LADAs or ZILs. Suspiciously, they all drove Mercedes or Caddys. Of course the "people" couldn't ever fight back; their guns had been confiscated, and the leaders made sure the factory workers had easy access to free (yep!) Vodka. And of course the leaders drank significanly BETTER vodka, but who noticed?
Remember, my communist friends, telling endless lies doesn't make them the truth. Tarring all of us hard working entrepreneurs with the same brush is brainless and a tacitly obvious but infantile tactic. Yes, we should prosecute those who take advantage of us, as with those Wall Street thugs. But to tag us all as the same and punish our years of hard work? How thoughtless and rude of you! Remember, my commune-loving friends ("What? Lentil soup for dinner AGAIN? Shoot the chef!"), unlike the luckless business owners in other socialist countries, we're mostly armed here. We see government-mandated proportional tax rates for what they are. Theft.
Sorry.. no free ride for you in MY future.
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After Obamanation takes the dollars of hard working entreprenuers and redistributes it to the welfare entitlement neighborhoods he use to activate... we will see an increase in poverty that looks exactly like Darfur.
Then that won't be enough, the lack of self respect will lead to an insatiable hunger for more of mommy's milk and when the country is bankrupt and the wealthy have left this part of the world to build business in other parts of the world, we'll get to see the social unrest that Bill Ayers and Farakhan have always dreamed of.
He was speaking of percentages, Warren Buffett pays capital gains tax, not income tax, like his secretary... You can't really believe that he pays less than her/him?
Yes.. I know.. percentages. As evidenced by the % sign I put in my previous post.
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Same can be said for Enviro not see's that created so much regulation through lobbyist, that millions of jobs have been sent oversea's... or the Union lobbyists that have tied the hands of corporation to so many socialist employment programs that jobs again go oversea's.
Lobbying isn't new, its been around since this Country began.
Lobbying wasn't the problem. Never said that. Deregulation
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Why just the middle class? Why so classist? Our corporate tax rate is the second highest in the world... guess what they produce jobs... many overseas and in mexico now.. because of oppresive taxes.
Middle class is the class that is essentially the fuel. Without it nobody benefits. Its not classist.
I'm continually confused. You said earlier that:
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Doesn't work? This country is the most financially succesful in the history of the world... Even the poor live better than anyother on the planet.
I think this country has had it so good that its blinded by the comfort and success.... most of the world still doesn't have indoor plumbing or electricity...
So we are the most financially successful country in the history of the world.. yet we have the worlds 2nd most oppressive corporate tax rate..
I guess that would presume that taxing corporations makes us successful.
Really? Who, again, built the yacht? Who drives down to the marina and delivers the champagne, the imported cheese, the pates? Who built the truck that the food purveyor uses to make his or her deliveries? Who packaged that food? Who pumps the fuel into the yacht? Who scraps the barnacles off it every year? Who trouble-shoots his VHF radio when it blitzes? Who picks up his Maserati while he's out yachting, to tune it up, and detail it? Who built his house? Who works for his macro-corporation? Who who who....
Mexicans.
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Would a Darfurian refugee want a job with one of his companies?
Yes but more than likely you wouldn't want that Darfurian refugee in this country..
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And on and on and on and on. But the socialist mantra is one of "Blame the Rich", and to foment endless class envy. All the while you want to be protected by a bunch of unionist thugs, who incidentally are getting rich on your union dues. Or you want wealth re-distribution.
I like how you just assume. I think Unions are a cancer on the country. They were once good.. now they bad. I don't "blame the rich" as you say. In fact I say they wouldn't be rich without living in the U.S. If they could have been richer elsewhere they would have been. There is a price to pay for that. Its called paying your fair share.
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Did Bill Gates inherit his wealth? Or did he, or Steve Jobs, or Warren Buffet, get there by hard work. And yet when they get there, and donate SIGNIFICANT $$$ to the needy, and employ millions of folks in good-paying jobs, The Obamanistas want to go and charge them not just more, but proportionately more. And he has the cajones to actually say, on national TV, to the cheers of the truly lazy, "We need to re-distribute their wealth!".
The obamaists like Buffet? I like how you talk "rich".. yet the "rich" you speak about support Obama. Good times. Hilarious.
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No wonder so many of them bolt for the Caribbean banks, and move their manufacturing offshore. And hire even more guys, accountants and lawyers, to try to end-run the government theft system. More power to them, I say!
Very patriotic of you
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BTW, have you also noted that the professors of a socialist system ALWAYS end up in really nice houses, castles, mansions, etc. The leaders in the old USSR didn't drive those horrid LADAs or ZILs. Suspiciously, they all drove Mercedes or Caddys. Of course the "people" couldn't ever fight back; their guns had been confiscated, and the leaders made sure the factory workers had easy access to free (yep!) Vodka. And of course the leaders drank significanly BETTER vodka, but who noticed?
I haven't noticed because comparing Obama to the Soviet Union is retarded. Blatantly retarded.
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Remember, my communist friends, telling endless lies doesn't make them the truth. Tarring all of us hard working entrepreneurs with the same brush is brainless and a tacitly obvious but infantile tactic. Yes, we should prosecute those who take advantage of us, as with those Wall Street thugs. But to tag us all as the same and punish our years of hard work? How thoughtless and rude of you! Remember, my commune-loving friends ("What? Lentil soup for dinner AGAIN? Shoot the chef!") , unlike the luckless business owners in other socialist countries, we're mostly armed here. We see government-mandated proportional tax rates for what they are. Theft.
Fear fear fear.. blah blah blah. Nobody hears you but you.
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Sorry.. no free ride for you in MY future.
thanks.. i have a job. make my own money. sent myself through graduate school.
Yes.. I know.. percentages. As evidenced by the % sign I put in my previous post.
Didn't see a %...nice addition... though for accuracy..
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Lobbying wasn't the problem. Never said that. Deregulation
RE read your post, you blamed lobbyist for the deregulation...
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Middle class is the class that is essentially the fuel. Without it nobody benefits. Its not classist.
Middle class exists because of entreprenuerial risk taking, and business building. Again lower taxes for all. The Gov't is a black hole of waste...
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I'm continually confused. You said earlier that:
I'm trying to help you with that... It's really very simple... Dollars in the publics hands goes 14 times through the economy... In Mommy Gov't hands it goes 2 or 3 times at best, and mostly through foreign hands...
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So we are the most financially successful country in the history of the world.. yet we have the worlds 2nd most oppressive corporate tax rate..
I guess that would presume that taxing corporations makes us successful.
You do note that we are in decline... Our success was when taxes were low, they havn't always been the 2nd highest... Democrats have been the instruments of higher taxes...Obama will make democrats look like republicans with his new socialist/Marxist agenda.
Being that this is the Atheist forum, I would assume the OP is addressing Mrs. Palin's religious views and how they are off putting (to be polite) to many. If they weren't insulting to the majority of republicans then we would see Huckabee running against Obama, not McCain. Please find another thread to bash Obama. They aren't hard to find.
I think if McCain wins, many of us will be hoping for his continued good health while the fundies will be praying for his imminent demise so Caribou Barbie can "take control".
Being that this is the Atheist forum, I would assume the OP is addressing Mrs. Palin's religious views and how they are off putting (to be polite) to many. If they weren't insulting to the majority of republicans then we would see Huckabee running against Obama, not McCain. Please find another thread to bash Obama. They aren't hard to find.
I think if McCain wins, many of us will be hoping for his continued good health while the fundies will be praying for his imminent demise so Caribou Barbie can "take control".
To this point, perhaps we agree. Get 'em outa here if they're illegal. They are a cancer on our society.
There is a price to pay for that. Its called paying your fair share.
Proportional taxation is NOT fair. It's confiscatory by definition.
The obamaists like Buffet? I like how you talk "rich".. yet the "rich" you speak about support Obama. Good times. Hilarious.
I know. One of life's little mysteries. Maybe it's because they'll get even richer when he gets in. Or, as with Buffet, they will land a hubris-soaked gov'mint job. Y'think?
Very patriotic of you
Let's not confuse patriotism with realism. If you gotta move on out, you gotta move on out. They only leave because of rapacious government policies. It was always thus.
I haven't noticed because comparing Obama to the Soviet Union is retarded. Blatantly retarded.
Just wait. I can pretty much assume that you, unlike me, have never lived under blatant socialism. Try reading the following book (I know you won't but perhaps others that "don't hear me" might).
The Tyranny of Nice, by Kathie Shaidle & Pete Vere.
(At least Google it and see what it's about.)
Fear fear fear.. blah blah blah. Nobody hears you but you.
1) You want me to stop? So only your point is heard? How socialist/KGB/Putin-esque. Gonna have me radio-actively poisoned to keep me quiet?
But, I don't understand... you're reading my posts. Are you a nobody?
2) Fear? Nah.. just a sad realization that we have to continuously re-experience bad government in the name of the communal good. Would be nice except when I and my fellow hard workers have to pay for another grand experiment.
In many countries, if I were to espouse such anti-goverment ideas they'd come for me. How quaint. Hitler, Stalin... all heros of the socialista. Remember Clinton's loving visit to the USSR? Or Mr. Obama's love of the adoration of the Euros. Or his support (soon with your tax money) of the UN?
thanks.. i have a job. make my own money. sent myself through graduate school.
Me too! Several times! Problem is, with my so-called wealth upon creating a successful private consulting company, I had to pay, in Canada, a top marginal rate of >60%. Wow. That's fair. You'd apparently love it.
To the original post: Yes, Sarah's a kind of novelty. She'd be a fast learner though, with no particularly biased Katie Curic-approved foreign relations pre-directions. Unlike, say, Biden. Where has past foreign relations experience shown itself to be particularly useful for the US? Look at the thorough mess we're in courtesy of Cheney, Rumsfelt (sounds of vomitting...) and Bush. Perhaps a fresh view? What do we have to lose? (She can keep her religion to herself though... apologies to freedom... Separation of church & state and all that).
Well, we WILL see, 'cause Obama will most likely get in. (PS: I didn't vote for McC/P either). I like experiments!
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Me too! Several times! Problem is, with my so-called wealth upon creating a successful private consulting company, I had to pay, in Canada, a top marginal rate of >60%. Wow. That's fair. You'd apparently love it.
So you came back to the states to as freedom put it: The second highest oppressive corporate taxing country in the world? Seems weird..
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And blah blah blah back at'cha!
What do we have to lose? (She can keep her religion to herself though... apologies to freedom... Separation of church & state and all that).