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The Detroit News has a short article today (http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070612/UPDATE/706120425 - broken link) on the dropout rate of Detroit Public Schools students. The article states that a report from Education Week, a weekly education newspaper, has done a study showing that Detroit’s dropout rate is 75%.
Well....I am certainly not going to engage in a competition that centers on using the struggles of black people......to try and win an argument. Suffice it to say, however, that black people have been in a state of struggle since slavery. Detroit certainly is not exempt from the struggles and neither is the ATL. Who is to say what the graduation rates in the ATL would be if not for the grading scandal.
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If a white man had a job at Home Depot's Corporate Office, would we call him "successful?" Or an Asian man? Or a Jewish man?
The whole concept of the "successful" black person is a backhanded compliment in itself. Why are you "successful" for doing some sh*t that white people do all the time? I'm more inclined to call Asians "successful" because there are fewer of them (in America, anyways) and they're locking up a good 20 to 40 percent of the slots at Stanford and the Ivies. They've raised the bar and it's time for blacks to do the same.
Regardless of race what is considered sucessful to you aside from being a lawyer? Does one have to be a CEO of a fortune 500?
Well....I am certainly not going to engage in a competition that centers on using the struggles of black people......to try and win an argument. Suffice it to say, however, that black people have been in a state of struggle since slavery. Detroit certainly is not exempt from the struggles and neither is the ATL. Who is to say with the grad rate is in Atlanta if the teachers did alter grades.
There is no doubt that Atlanta has a massive black middle class (beyond anything NYC has) and is on par with DC.
I don't...know...about...that.
You're talking about a region that's far larger than Atlanta. There are more black people in the Boroughs alone than there are in the entire Atlanta Metro. Queens, Brooklyn, the Bronx, Jersey, Westchester and Long Island all have a lot of middle class blacks. They're just not as visible because there are another 18 million people in the New York CSA they have to live around.
I think it also depends on whether you're talking about African-Americans or just blacks in general. Because areas like Crown Heights, Flatbush, Canarsie and Jamaica Estates have a lot of middle class West Indian families.
I ignored your post because it was dumb. Had you read your own articles, you would have noticed that the black business ownership rate is higher in the District of Columbia than it is in Georgia. Besides, the article features a Cinnabon owner in the pictures. Big deal.
I suppose if you added up the JJ's Rib Shacks and Bronner Brothers of the ATL metro, then Atlanta would best DC. But is that something to really brag about?
First off I said you ignore my original post before the one with the link. Your now responding to the one with the link and saying it's dumb, in which you're saying you ignore my post because of the link in a posts your responding to now. Makes no sense chronologically.
Anyways Failed DC is just a city or district, Georgia has the highiest perctage of black business by state more then Maryland or Virginia. Metro Atlanta is higher the DMV area. Then your amusing the initial point. You don't know what those business are, then your using proof by assertion. What we do know is Black Georgians has the highest percentage of own business which is going come out positive no matter what.
So what's dumb about it? your asking about Atlanta impact with political leaders and cultural critics. and I gave it. Black Atlantans have played major part of shapings this country and improving civial rights but you ask about Black intellectualism? Really?.... Basically you ignore it again.
You sound like some you just hates Atlanta, so your just trying find a negative most which is just bull. For instance Black people owning businesses is not a major positive, even though all the issues that plague the Black community. Black people going to college and etc is not a major positive again even though all the issues that plague the Black community. Mean while your stating all these vague negatives to a place that has one of the highest success rate with African Americans in the US, top 3 anyway you slice it.
You're talking about a region that's far larger than Atlanta. There are more black people in the Boroughs alone than there are in the entire Atlanta Metro. Queens, Brooklyn, the Bronx, Jersey, Westchester and Long Island all have a lot of middle class blacks. They're just not as visible because there are another 18 million people in the New York CSA they have to live around.
I think it also depends on whether you're talking about African-Americans or just blacks in general. Because areas like Crown Heights, Flatbush, Canarsie and Jamaica Estates have a lot of middle class West Indian families.
NYC doesnt have anything like the neighborhoods on Cascade, Lithonia, etc. Most of the Ny blacks are poor living in the projects. The high HIV rates are killing most of the blacks in nyc
"More than 110,000 people in New York City are infected with HIV, more than in any other U.S. city and about 75 percent of all cases in the state."
It's hard to even engage in debating this point since it isn't based in anything factual, rather a personal bias based off of a narrow amount of experiences.
I'm not so sure about that. Politicians and lawyers aren't exactly the two professions I would categorize in the "top tier of thinkers" African-American or otherwise. It's not even worth really trying to argue since you can see historically that most great black thinkers and activists have exclusively gone into the clergy or education by a very large margin. That's not to say that there aren't great black thinks that were politicians (such as a Ralph Bunche or Thurgood Marshall) but it's small in comparison to the others.
Ugh, this whole "a type" personality argument. I'll get that in a second.
Uh, not sure what list you are looking as I was not able to verify that is the case. I did however look at the most recently available list and Atlanta and DC were tied. It's only when you suck in Baltimore does it grow larger, but that's not exactly accurate.
As proven by an extensive psychological evaluation of all 8 million of the city residents, no doubt. SMH.
Not true. The New York metro has just 1 million more black residents than Atlanta. This is something that probably won't last for much longer either even though it seems insurmountable. In the last decade Atlanta's black population grew by 500,000 and New York's declined by 100,000 and over the last 30 years, Atlanta's black population has grown by 1.4 million while nework's by 500,000 before the population loss. The exodus of Black people from New York is continuing and actually picking up speed with the number one destination being Atlanta (although DC does fairly well in picking up these transplants as well). In a few decades, barring anything drastic, Atlanta will likely have the largest black population in the country.
The juxtaposition of this sentence says to me you don't know what the term "drag through the mud" means.
Really, you have produced nothing at all to suggest that Atlanta is far behind DC or New York when it comes to business. NY and DC may have more Black people that make more than 200k a year, but that's more reflective of the COL differences between the three cities. There is no doubt that Atlanta has a massive black middle class (beyond anything NYC has) and is on par with DC.
For the record, I believe that DC and Atlanta are on par and equally compliment each other in terms of "black meccasness".
If you bothered to read the article you would have seen how black entertainers stated that they have moved to Atlanta and gotten more work than they did in LA or New York.
Really, have you ever even noticed how Hollywood and New York treat African-Americans in entertainment? Outside of the handful megastars, opportunities for black actors and entertainers is an uphill battle. When a production in one those cities decides to even have a black person in it, they are usually relegated to secondary roles (if they get to speak at all or live past the first 5 minutes) and have a hard time even finding work.
The difference with Atlatna is that a very large segment of the entertainment industry here is owned by and geared towards African-Americans. This is something that does not exist in NYC or LA. People can talk all the junk they want about Tyler Perry (and personally, I am not a fan of his movies or tv shows since I do not agree with moral message in them), but look at the brother has done. He has built his own media empire, owns his own movie studio, he can green light a movie or TV show at will, and is free to pretty much do what he wants. That does not happen in LA or NYC. Just look at Spike Lee. How much trouble has he had getting his films made and he the brother is one of the most talented directors of all time. There is a lot to said about having a comfortable climate to work in.
The most serious actors of any race, go to Los Angeles and sometimes New York. These are the cities where the big roles are. They'll find work in Atlanta, sure, but it's not likely to be in any film that will be reviewed by the AMPAS; only the NAACP.
Spike Lee may have had a hard time getting his work out there, but he was giving us QUALITY material, and I'm sure he would argue that it was worth it. To me, it's a true testament of determination for black actors and filmmakers to weather the storm in behemoths like NY or LA, rather than just using their "big fish in a little pond" pull to make moves in Atlanta.
First off I said you ignore my original post before the one with the link. Your now responding to the one with the link and saying it's dumb, in which you're saying you ignore my post because of the link in a posts your responding to now. Makes no sense chronologically.
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Anyways Failed DC is just a city or district, Georgia has the highiest perctage of black business by state more then Maryland or Virginia. Metro Atlanta is higher the DMV area. Then your amusing the initial point. You don't know what those business are, then your using proof by assertion. What we do know is Black Georgians has the highest percentage of own business which is going come out positive no matter what.
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So what's dumb about it? your asking about Atlanta impact with political leaders and cultural critics. and I gave it. Black Atlantans have played major part of shapings this country and improving civial rights but you ask about Black intellectualism? Really?.... Basically you ignore it again.
Yeah, really. What do the contributions of Martin Luther King, Jr. have to do with blacks in Atlanta today? What public intellectuals is Atlanta known for? And someone like Joseph Lowery is not an intellectual.
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You sound like some you just hates Atlanta, so your just trying find a negative most which is just bull. For instance Black people owning businesses is not a major positive, even though all the issues that plague the Black community. Black people going to college and etc is not a major positive again even though all the issues that plague the Black community. Mean while your stating all these vague negatives to a place that has one of the highest success rate with African Americans in the US, top 3 anyway you slice it.
No, I'm not a big fan of Atlanta. But I don't hate it either. I just think it's hyped up. If you're talking about blacks who are really doing it BIG, then I'd say DC and NYC come out ahead by a healthy margin. Here are some examples of "doing it BIG."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Thompson_(New_York) (No, Kasim Reed being mayor of Atlanta is not nearly in the same ballpark as a black man building a united front to become mayor of New York City. It's the Big Leagues up here)
Of course you know that most of the blacks in the Detroit area do not attend Detroit public schools. Again......you can take a subsection of any large metro area and find good or bad statistics. If A black person moves to the Detroit area.....they are not forced to live in the city of Detroit or forced to send their kids to DPS. There are 1.2 million blacks that live in the Greater Detroit area. What is your obsession with the minority of those who happen to live in the city proper of Detroit? The blacks living in the city of Detroit are NOT a microcosm of the blacks that live in the Detroit area as a whole. If this is your logical reason then the "Atlanta" is reduced to 250,000 people, because that is the black population of the city proper.....which hardly translate to the status of "Black Mecca" especially since the cities black population declined. Thus, please stop your shallow focus on 15% of a Consolidated Metro area of nearly 6 million people. That is the fallacy of composition when ones tries to sell the argument that what is true of a part....is thus true for the whole.
I am beginning to glean that you are the court gesture of this forum....and not to be taken seriously.
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