Passage of Transportation Referendum Critical to Atlanta's Future (Boston, Buckhead: apartment complexes, condos)
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Not many important destinations. It's based on where the tracks are rather than where we'd want them to be.
Wtf? Let me list the stops:
Lindbergh, Ansley Mall, PIEDMONT PARK, North Ave Station, Ponce City Market, Freedom Park, Downtown streetcar at O4W, Inman Park MARTA station, Memorial Drive, Glenwood, Peoplestown, Red-Gold Line south of West End, Blue Line at Ashby station, Green Line at new infill station, West Midtown, Georgia Tech, Atlantic Station, Piedmont Hospital, Midtown.
Those don't seem like important place? Where would like them to be, at your doorstep? This uses existing railroad ROW to cut down on cost, what's better than that? The BeltLine connects at least 40 neighborhoods.
Or it could go down as the biggest waste of money. The Beltline doesn't have many destination points and its success is predicated on the development it's supposed to spur.
It connects 45 city neighborhoods to each other and to MARTA, has 1,500 volunteers and a list of about 20,000 people and growing who sign up for communications through Twitter, Facebook or mail. There is a lot of support in the city for this project and many people are excited about it. Just looking at the plans, it's hard to imagine it being a huge a waste of money and a failure.
All the project selected will be completed within 10 years, that's why the rail-based line to Cobb was removed because it could not get done in 10 years, so instead the large project s like these are broken up over a couple TSPLOST in hopes that the first gets passed then the second. Unlike the 400 tool, the TSPLOST cannot be renewed without the voters passing a new tax!
Secondly the BeltLine, it is a very important project to the entire area. It will move people around the urban core. Always hear people say MARTA doesn't go here or there in Atlanta, well the BeltLine will bring those areas within rail-based transit. It is a way for people to transfer from one side to antoher without having to go downtown. Once built we will all look back and see how important this project is. It will go down in history as one of the most important transit projects in the nation, something that has never been done before in America, a rail-based ring around an urban-core? NYC, Chicago, DC, or Boston doesn't have one.
The I-75 toll road project was decided upon in 2005. In 2012 absolutely nothing had been done.
The GA400 to I-85N ramp was funded 2 years ago when the 400 Buckhead segment was paid off. Nothing has been done.
I swear, nothing would make me happier than to be able to go to the GDOT and find out why they're the most inept DOT in the country.
I recently drove to Miami from Atlanta, and Georgia's highways are a huge embarassment. As soon as I crossed the Florida line, every inch of highway all the way to Miami was beautiful and smooth as silk.
Lindbergh, Ansley Mall, PIEDMONT PARK, North Ave Station, Ponce City Market, Freedom Park, Downtown streetcar at O4W, Inman Park MARTA station, Memorial Drive, Glenwood, Peoplestown, Red-Gold Line south of West End, Blue Line at Ashby station, Green Line at new infill station, West Midtown, Georgia Tech, Atlantic Station, Piedmont Hospital, Midtown. Those don't seem like important place? Where would like them to be, at your doorstep? This uses existing railroad ROW to cut down on cost, what's better than that? The BeltLine connects at least 40 neighborhoods.
It connects mostly single family neighborhoods and places MARTA already serves. And it takes out valuable traffic lanes (east-west roads are at a premium in central Atlanta) to get downtown.
It connects 45 city neighborhoods to each other and to MARTA, has 1,500 volunteers and a list of about 20,000 people and growing who sign up for communications through Twitter, Facebook or mail. There is a lot of support in the city for this project and many people are excited about it. Just looking at the plans, it's hard to imagine it being a huge a waste of money and a failure.
So how are these neighborhoods unconnected without a rambling metal box rolling by? Are they really presently disconnected? I don't care how many people are excited, I'm more interested in how practical it is for the money.
Wtf? Let me list the stops:
Lindbergh, Ansley Mall, PIEDMONT PARK, North Ave Station, Ponce City Market, Freedom Park, Downtown streetcar at O4W, Inman Park MARTA station, Memorial Drive, Glenwood, Peoplestown, Red-Gold Line south of West End, Blue Line at Ashby station, Green Line at new infill station, West Midtown, Georgia Tech, Atlantic Station, Piedmont Hospital, Midtown.
Those don't seem like important place? Where would like them to be, at your doorstep? This uses existing railroad ROW to cut down on cost, what's better than that? The BeltLine connects at least 40 neighborhoods.
I dont' think it connects with North Avenue Station or even Georgia Tech.
I dont' think it connects with North Avenue Station or even Georgia Tech.
Yes it does, but maybe you haven't seen the new plans... it's not just a loop anymore. The plan is to connect it to the streetcar currently under construction and go across North Avenue from Ponce City Market (old City Hall East), past the North Avenue MARTA Station, and through GA Tech. It will then reconnect with the loop portion past Tech. They are also considering a spur down 17th Street to Arts Center Station in Midtown.
The North Avenue spur and the streetcar connection are part of the TPLOST project list...
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I'm not sure it will save time, and besides, light rail is slower than heavy rail.
Why aren't you sure it won't save time (unless you are playing devils advocate)?
The speed thing is a non-issue. Light rail is slower than Heavy rail, but not by much and the difference between the is more in the rolling stock and technology used rather than speed. An advantage for the Beltline though is that it hits street level at few points, thus automobile traffic won't be a factor in slowing down service.
It will also remove the need to travel all the way Downtown on the Redline to reach the Blue line and points in between.
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Originally Posted by MathmanMathman
Not many important destinations. It's based on where the tracks are rather than where we'd want them to be.
Ok, how about you be more specific. As other have already chimed in, the Beltline cuts through 45 different neighborhoods. It also intersect with the exisitng MARTA network in several locations thus adding additional rail transit options in neighborhoods where it already exists. What that means is that almost every single neighborhood in the city proper will eventually have a Beltline stop and/or a MARTA stop.
Again, which neighborhood or district gets neither aside from EAV?
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