Alright, I'll tentatively support the Northern Arc. (Atlanta, Sandy Springs: versus, mall)

[MattCW]

Don't be too sure, Cumberland and Doraville are already bus transit hubs in their own right, plus Doraville has the connection to the existing rail. Sure, not too many people would be likely to go north to Doraville, then across I-285, but it's a good connection point for existing bus routes, including Gwinnett County Transit. Coupled with the transit connection in the middle to the Red line, the FTA might just go for it. However, that CID or whatever studying ways to improve top-end perimeter transportation has decided ton BRT instead of L or HRT.

[GeorgiatoChina]

Originally Posted by cqholt

Office parks have shuttles to bring worker to and from the MARTA stations. Just like at Dunwoody and Sandy Springs.

That won't get built until the leg from Midtown to Cumberland. Can't have a cross-Perimeter line without it connecting to anything at Cumberland, plus FTA will give it a negative endorsement and it may not be eligible for fast start program.

People aren't going to want to take a car to the station, then take a train, then wait on a shuttle. Especially in areas where they are already going against traffic.

I don't think we will ever get to a point where "reliable transportation" is not required to get a job here in the burbs. The burbs just aren't built dense enough in GA like they are in Illinois or NY.

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by MattCW

Don't be too sure, Cumberland and Doraville are already bus transit hubs in their own right, plus Doraville has the connection to the existing rail. Sure, not too many people would be likely to go north to Doraville, then across I-285, but it's a good connection point for existing bus routes, including Gwinnett County Transit. Coupled with the transit connection in the middle to the Red line, the FTA might just go for it. However, that CID or whatever studying ways to improve top-end perimeter transportation has decided ton BRT instead of L or HRT.

Buses routes are not the same as fixed guideway transit. Bus routes can change quick, that's a big reason businesses are more likely to invest in an area with fixed guideway transit, eg: Streetcar, LRT, HRT. Don't bet on FTA putting up millions for a small, suburban bus transfer area.

People aren't going to want to take a car to the station, then take a train, then wait on a shuttle. Especially in areas where they are already going against traffic.

I don't think we will ever get to a point where "reliable transportation" is not required to get a job here in the burbs. The burbs just aren't built dense enough in GA like they are in Illinois or NY.

They do it in Perimeter Center.

[roadtrip75]

Originally Posted by toll_booth

If we "can't afford" critical items such as education and basic services

We CAN afford those, which is why we have a lavish educational system and basic services. The only debate in Atlanta is how many cushy jobs in education and government are given as gifts to lesser-qualified or unqualified candidates.

We absolutely cannot let this lead to the next round of exurb sprawl.

I'm against increasing Atlanta's population, but if we insist on growing, then the cheapest way to grow is to expand into the exurbs.

Dense urban living is inefficient and expensive.

[roadtrip75]

Originally Posted by Saintmarks

London has arguably one of the best combos of public transport in the world.

And London is a nightmare. The English are fleeing the place.

[GeorgiatoChina]

Originally Posted by roadtrip75

Dense urban living is inefficient and expensive.

[bryantm3]

Originally Posted by MattCW

Don't be too sure, Cumberland and Doraville are already bus transit hubs in their own right, plus Doraville has the connection to the existing rail. Sure, not too many people would be likely to go north to Doraville, then across I-285, but it's a good connection point for existing bus routes, including Gwinnett County Transit. Coupled with the transit connection in the middle to the Red line, the FTA might just go for it. However, that CID or whatever studying ways to improve top-end perimeter transportation has decided ton BRT instead of L or HRT.

a 285 north perimeter line would really do wonders— for example there are people that live in gwinnett who work in cobb, people who live in alpharetta that work in doraville, people that live in kennesaw and work in vinings, etc. it would be a major convenience for those who don't want to travel all the way downtown to then go back north on a different line. this is assuming that the cobb and 400 lines are built already, by the way. honestly i think heavy rail could work there, but it doesn't seem to be too popular.

imagine what a line like this could do, in conjunction with heavy rail lines up 85 and 75:

light rail perimeter line - Google Maps

[MathmanMathman]

Originally Posted by bryantm3

imagine what a line like this could do, in conjunction with heavy rail lines up 85 and 75:

light rail perimeter line - Google Maps

The Northern Arc would be way better.

[Saintmarks]

Originally Posted by roadtrip75

And London is a nightmare. The English are fleeing the place.

Because of the transportation system (Commuter rail, underground, bus)? Because of the M 25 ring road? What does that have to do with this thread?

[cqholt]

The Northern Arc would be way better.

Yes because time has showed us that more roads reduce congestion. Not!
I think

light rail perimeter line - Google Maps

is the perfect solution for congestion since most of the mantra I've heard on here is suburb to suburb commuting.