GSU / Carter / Summerhill / Turner Field Redevelopment (Glenwood: rent, purchases, gated)

[jsvh]

Originally Posted by fieldm

What will be the store lineup?

FTA: "Earlier this year, Carter senior vice president David Nelson said deals have been inked with a brewery and a barbecue concept, as negotiations with several other local proprietors were ongoing.

Back then, as now, Nelson couldn’t divulge specific business names."

[fieldm]

Originally Posted by jsvh

FTA: "Earlier this year, Carter senior vice president David Nelson said deals have been inked with a brewery and a barbecue concept, as negotiations with several other local proprietors were ongoing.

Back then, as now, Nelson couldn’t divulge specific business names."

I saw that. I was just wondering what the others would be....

[JMatl]

Originally Posted by fieldm

^^^^ This would have been a perfect nightclub/bar district.


Yeah that developer is a dumbass for saying that.

You obviously didn't read the Curbed article, as he never said any such thing.

What part of the first signed tenants being a brewery and a barbeque place sound like "regional destination?"

cq's ******ing about the amount of parking, nothing more.

[JMatl]

Originally Posted by fieldm

What will be the store lineup?

Subway
McDonald's
Starbucks
Yoga club
dog biscuit store
Coffee shop
Waffle house
Etc

You're just upset there aren't plans for a 24 hour nightclub district built around a cheesy Casino.

[samiwas1]

Originally Posted by cqholt

Well, I had faith in the Georgia Ave commercial strip plan, but it appears the developer thinks they are going to attract visitors from all over the metro. No one is going to drive from Cobb, North Fulton, etc. to visit this strip. Instead of all that parking, add more residential.

Multiple things here. First of all, I will say that I agree there should be more residential put here, but more in the sense of ground-level retail with residential above. But, these appear to be half re-used buildings, so that's probably not as easy to accomplish.

But, that being said...it doesn't have to be a metro-wide draw to require parking in this location. The location is not transit-connected, except by a couple of bus lines which originate at Five Points and towards the southeast, which is not dense at all. So, if the developers want actual customers to visit their businesses, which I have to assume they do given that they probably wish to turn some sort of profit, they have to look at reality and realize they have three options:

1. Build a metro-wide fast transit system to get people there in a reasonable timeframe (no, not an hour and three transfers from six miles away), to be complete in about 20-30 years.
2. Build enough housing within a walkable or quick ride to provide the businesses with every customer they could need to remain profitable, which should only take 5-10 years and massive amounts of capital.
3. Build some parking to provide visitors with a place to park for now, which can be filled in later with other buildings if so desired, which can be completed in weeks and at little cost.

Now, I wasn't a business major, but I know which one I would choose.

It appears that there are fewer than 250 spaces at a quick glance for a multi-unit office building, over 20 retailers, and an undetermined number of residences (which may or may not have their own parking). And about 125-150 additional spaces are added in the next phase when the number of retailers doubles. Most of the parking is behind buildings, which are almost entirely sidewalk-facing. I thought sidewalk-facing buildings was your jam?

I know that anything short of car-free urban walkable living is a terrible thing to you, but you really need to accept a little bit of reality sometimes.

Originally Posted by jsvh

This site plan seems pretty good urban design to me. It is not reasonable to expect no parking here or massive decks to be constructed, so keeping the historic store fronts fronting the street and filling in more while keeping parking behind the buildings is definitely the way to go.

Be still, my heart!

Everyone! I agree with jsvh. There should be some sort of celebratory bash!

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by samiwas1

Multiple things here. First of all, I will say that I agree there should be more residential put here, but more in the sense of ground-level retail with residential above. But, these appear to be half re-used buildings, so that's probably not as easy to accomplish.

But, that being said...it doesn't have to be a metro-wide draw to require parking in this location. The location is not transit-connected, except by a couple of bus lines which originate at Five Points and towards the southeast, which is not dense at all. So, if the developers want actual customers to visit their businesses, which I have to assume they do given that they probably wish to turn some sort of profit, they have to look at reality and realize they have three options:

1. Build a metro-wide fast transit system to get people there in a reasonable timeframe (no, not an hour and three transfers from six miles away), to be complete in about 20-30 years.
2. Build enough housing within a walkable or quick ride to provide the businesses with every customer they could need to remain profitable, which should only take 5-10 years and massive amounts of capital.
3. Build some parking to provide visitors with a place to park for now, which can be filled in later with other buildings if so desired, which can be completed in weeks and at little cost.

Now, I wasn't a business major, but I know which one I would choose.

It appears that there are fewer than 250 spaces at a quick glance for a multi-unit office building, over 20 retailers, and an undetermined number of residences (which may or may not have their own parking). And about 125-150 additional spaces are added in the next phase when the number of retailers doubles. Most of the parking is behind buildings, which are almost entirely sidewalk-facing. I thought sidewalk-facing buildings was your jam?

I know that anything short of car-free urban walkable living is a terrible thing to you, but you really need to accept a little bit of reality sometimes.



Be still, my heart!

Everyone! I agree with jsvh. There should be some sort of celebratory bash!

I never said anything about car-free, I advocated for targeting this as a neighborhood commercial district. We will see what happens with the site plan as the developers release their plan for stormwater mitigation, as this location is in a CSO and downstream has issues with flooding, eg: Peoplestown.

[joey86]

Originally Posted by cqholt

I never said anything about car-free, I advocated for targeting this as a neighborhood commercial district.

That's what it looks like. It's build isn't much different than Little Five Points. L5P is doing great, with surface parking behind the businesses, no decks, and better Marta access.

[samiwas1]

Originally Posted by cqholt

I never said anything about car-free, I advocated for targeting this as a neighborhood commercial district. We will see what happens with the site plan as the developers release their plan for stormwater mitigation, as this location is in a CSO and downstream has issues with flooding, eg: Peoplestown.

So, the "but it appears the developer thinks they are going to attract visitors from all over the metro.... Instead of all that parking, add more residential." was not saying anything about car-free? And I know you didn't mean completely 100% car free (because almost nowhere will ever be that around here), but this is a realistic amount of parking for a development of this size, provided they put more than a dry cleaners and a cell phone repair store in there, and actually create a desirable marketplace.

So, now it's about flooding? I don't think this site plan increases any risk of flooding over what is there currently. It doesn't remove much, if any grass area in favor of asphalt. Maybe they can add a retention pond at the corner of Georgia and Reed and create a local water feature.

Originally Posted by joey86

That's what it looks like. It's build isn't much different than Little Five Points. L5P is doing great, with surface parking behind the businesses, no decks, and better Marta access.

Exactly.

[cqholt]

So, now it's about flooding? I don't think this site plan increases any risk of flooding over what is there currently. It doesn't remove much, if any grass area in favor of asphalt. Maybe they can add a retention pond at the corner of Georgia and Reed and create a local water feature.

I am not moving the goalposts, but bringing up another concern (of mine at least) and one that is not of popular concern for most residents.

[JPD]

Originally Posted by fieldm

What will be the store lineup?

Subway
McDonald's
Starbucks
Yoga club
dog biscuit store
Coffee shop
Waffle house
Etc

Considering that they can't seem the attract anything better than an American Deli, Verizon store, Praise Jesus Barber Shop, and Mattress Firm at Edgewood Retail District, I think that whole list is wishful thinking. This development is going to flop.