Black Family tells Confederate Flag contractor to leave (Atlanta: live, homeowner)

[Iconographer]

Originally Posted by aries4118

KingKanye,
Why are you zeroing in and erroneously going after Iconographer?
It is derailing the thread.

For the same reason Savaranola burned books.

[midgeorgiaman]

Regardless of the man's view of the flag, as a business owner it is typically in your best financial interests to avoid controversial displays while at work. Displaying your religious beliefs, position on current affairs (politicians, abortion, immigration, etc) is just foolish in most cases.

As a gay man, if somebody with a "support traditional marriage" bumper sticker were to show up at my house then I would probably send them away as well. Do I think that all people who disagree with my marriage are evil or bigoted...no. I also know I will go out of my way to avoid giving money to people who actively work against me---and driving around with that symbol/sticker, etc does that.

I have no doubt that contractors who have worked on my home have held beliefs such as my marriage is unacceptable, HOWEVER they have never said so or displayed inappropriate behavior or symbols. That is smart business. There is a time and place for such discussions, but the workplace or client/customer site isn't it.

[ATLUTD]

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[aries4118]

Originally Posted by bu2

While many on this board and the KKK may view it as a racist symbol, there was a survey after Charlottsville that showed that 2/3 of Americans did not.

2/3 of white Americans.

[jetgraphics]

Originally Posted by Mutiny77

Like who?

https://acwm.org/blog/myths-misunder...k-confederates

Evidence that Prof. Ervin L. Jordan, Jr., amassed for his landmark study, Black Confederates and Afro-Yankees in Civil War Virginia (1995), suggests that individual African Americans serving with Confederate armies occasionally participated in battle. Whether they did so for self-defense, loyalty to a master or friend, or commitment to the Confederacy is not clear. Although many scholars contend that no people would ever willingly fight to perpetuate their own enslavement, Jordan argues that an un-measurable minority of men were “zealots of the wrong,” and that students of history should try to understand those men, even if we disapprove of their decisions.

It would appear that "defending involuntary servitude" does happen, as in the case of socialist and collectivist regimes.

[JayHey]

Originally Posted by aries4118

2/3 of white Americans.

Not even that.

2/3 of working-class white Americans.

College educated whites view it as racist 49/42.

Here's the survey in question: https://www.prri.org/spotlight/white...-pride-racism/

[Ralph_Kirk]

Originally Posted by jetgraphics

https://acwm.org/blog/myths-misunder...k-confederates

Evidence that Prof. Ervin L. Jordan, Jr., amassed for his landmark study, Black Confederates and Afro-Yankees in Civil War Virginia (1995), suggests that individual African Americans serving with Confederate armies occasionally participated in battle. Whether they did so for self-defense, loyalty to a master or friend, or commitment to the Confederacy is not clear. Although many scholars contend that no people would ever willingly fight to perpetuate their own enslavement, Jordan argues that an un-measurable minority of men were “zealots of the wrong,” and that students of history should try to understand those men, even if we disapprove of their decisions.

It would appear that "defending involuntary servitude" does happen, as in the case of socialist and collectivist regimes.

You didn't think anyone else would read the article?

But were African American laborers in the Confederate army formally enlisted in the army, equipped with uniforms, arms, and accoutrements, and paid for their own work, as were African Americans in the U.S. Army? No. Their status was that of enslaved or marginally free laborers serving in capacities in a military setting analogous to their roles in civilian life. Referring to such men as “soldiers” ignores a fundamental distinction between forced labor and military service.

However, even before the last months of the Civil War, there were African Americans in Confederate armies who met some of those customary criteria to be soldiers. Beginning in 1862, the Confederate army formally enlisted hundreds of cooks and musicians; those men were paid, but almost certainly not armed or uniformed.

In March 1865, the Confederate Congress passed a law providing for the formal enlistment of African-American soldiers. When the Confederate army implemented the law it required masters to recognize slaves’ freedom before they could enlist. Not surprisingly, recruitment was slow. Possibly a few hundred men enlisted before Appomattox. Some of those men drilled on Richmond’s Capitol Square shortly before the Confederates evacuated the city, and apparently some traveled with Lee’s army and were involved in the Appomattox Campaign.

In fact, nobody, not even Ervin L. Jordan has produced evidence of a Confederate unit that had slaves fighting in it.

[NC2ATL60]

[quote=JayHey;55579005]Not even that.

2/3 of working-class white Americans.

College educated whites view it as racist 49/42.

Here's the survey in question: [url]https://www.prri.org/spotlight/white-working-class-americans-confederate-flag-southern-pride-racism/[/url

Yeah now that makes sense. There is no way that 2/3 of ALL Americans in 2019 don’t view that flag as racist. It very much is.

[Listener2307]

Originally Posted by KingKanye

Good to see this happen and that black people are fighting back against white racists. Sad that it had to happen in our area..............

I belong to the group who believes it was staged. All the reasons already have been presented. Odd that the 'general contractor' did not have a sign, backed into a strange driveway, and his truck started before he got in. Looks to me like it was staged to show the Confederate Flag in full view of the camera as he drove off. Odd that I have not seen the Confederate Flag flown like that in many years, and that this 'general contractor' felt so strongly about The Confederacy that he flew a monster flag, but volunteered to 'take it down' when he found resistance. Like he had never found 'resistance' until that very moment.
Those who believe the video was real should attach a flag like that to their own vehicle and then drive around. You may find out why no one flies those flags anymore.

But assuming the confrontation was 'real' in what way did she do her part to convince this particular man that racism was wrong-headed? She didn't. She just drove the problem underground.

[bu2]

Originally Posted by Listener2307

I belong to the group who believes it was staged. All the reasons already have been presented. Odd that the 'general contractor' did not have a sign, backed into a strange driveway, and his truck started before he got in. Looks to me like it was staged to show the Confederate Flag in full view of the camera as he drove off. Odd that I have not seen the Confederate Flag flown like that in many years, and that this 'general contractor' felt so strongly about The Confederacy that he flew a monster flag, but volunteered to 'take it down' when he found resistance. Like he had never found 'resistance' until that very moment.
Those who believe the video was real should attach a flag like that to their own vehicle and then drive around. You may find out why no one flies those flags anymore.

But assuming the confrontation was 'real' in what way did she do her part to convince this particular man that racism was wrong-headed? She didn't. She just drove the problem underground.

If it was staged, they probably would have made the contractor more obnoxious. I wouldn't expect people who go to the trouble to stage things to have a nuanced view where they could make the guy anything other than evil.