08-30-2011, 09:22 AM
Location: Austin, TX
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riaelise
Lakeline is far from being dead in 2-3 years. It services many family-friendly areas such as Cedar Park, Leander, North Austin, Round Rock, Pflugerville, etc. I personally do not like Barton Creek Mall. Upscale, smuckstale...when you have two kids who want out of the heat and things to do, BC flat out sucks. My daughter could care less about fancy finishes. She does care about (and enjoy) the train rides, carousel, inflatable bounce house, and free playscape at Lakeline mall. BC has NOTHING except a crowded Lego Store. There was nothing to do there except shopping, and that just isn't good for small children. I really couldn't see any difference aestetically between LL and BC..and the crowd of people seemed to be identical, as BC attracts different demographics -- not just Westlake and D/T.
My 5 year old does like the domain because they have some outdoor things going on, but in this sweltering heat, we haven't been there in months. The outdoor concept is nice, but subject to weather. So the indoor mall isn't going away anytime soon.
I think what LL is doing with the trains and catering to young kids is the wave of the future for malls. Certainly young ones need cool places to hang out in this heat and LL mall is great for that. I've brought my son there once or twice this summer when I had some time to kill and needed a cool place. We rode the train and he loves those quarter rides (simple pleasures).
I think all malls should convert to being kid's destinations, that is the future for them. Teenagers will still hang out at the food court like normal so they still wouldn't lose that demographic.
Mid summer afternoons and winter time, when it's too cold or when it's like 6PM and it gets dark at 5PM are great times to visit with kids. The bouncy thing is fun. Christmas is also a great time to be in the mall with kids.
However, when it's just me doing my thing, I wouldn't be caught dead in a mall unless it's an outside lifestyle center. I just prefer that vibe to be honest. To me malls are equated with punk teenagers (and now kids after some of the additions). Mall culture is probably why we have so much obesity and problems in this society to be honest.
08-30-2011, 09:33 AM
Location: central Austin
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I Mall culture is probably why we have so much obesity and problems in this society to be honest.
I don't know. Malls are full of walkers! People who come there to exercise in safety and on flat, level, smooth ground. Austin malls are full of walkers in the summer and northern malls are full of walkers in the winter.
Car culture is a bigger culprit! And autos and malls do go together . . . but I think that the correlation is weaker for malls as a cause of obesity.
08-30-2011, 10:52 AM
Location: Broomfield, CO
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They are both pretty unremarkable. Pretty basic for the most part but barton creek does have a Nordstrom. I haven't been to barton creek in a few years, but from what I remember, it's in a nicer location and draws from a higher demographic than Lakeline does. I also find it rather odd than neither one of the big "austin malls" has a parking garage for their customers. It is fairly rare these days to come across a major mall without a parking garage (especially a higher end one, in a horrible summer climate). But, im sure that's another reason to "keep Austin weird"
The domain is definitely a better choice. It is a pretty good attempt to keep people from heading north to Dallas for real shopping. I actually HAVE been there in the last few months, and it isn't bad. Can't go there in the summer, but during the winter (between the cold blasts), its nice to be outside there. It also has a parking garage which gives them a thumbs up in my opinion.
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I have heard Lakeline and Barton Creek, but which in your opinion is the best?
08-30-2011, 10:15 PM
Location: Austin, TX
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Can't stand the smell in Lakeline. They pump some kind of cologne in there that makes me gag.
08-30-2011, 10:45 PM
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Interesting range of opinions.
I can't stand the Domain. It's poorly executed, in a lame location (IMO), expensive and void of any hint of character. Not to mention we paid to subsidize it. I'd say it belongs in Dallas with it's high-end chain restaurants, but then I'd be probably be accused of somehow dissing Dallas. The Hill Country Galleria at least has more local chains and less corporate stuff. And a nicer scenery around it.
The Domain does have an Apple store and I do like that.
08-31-2011, 06:38 AM
Location: Austin, TX
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I have actually never been to the HCG or the Domain. I think I have been to LL mall once, not long after it opened. We do end up going to BC mall several times a year for this or that; this summer, it was great entertainment for the kids that wasn't the pool. 'Shopping' for shopping's sake is just not our thing. The kids like Build-a-bear and Lego store, wife can't resist the Apple Store, and there are a few reasonably priced clothing stores. But honestly, the main reason we end up there is that the toddler won't wilt in the heat.
08-31-2011, 09:09 AM
Location: Austin, Texas
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I prefer Barton Creek. Too hot right now for the Domain or HCG.
08-31-2011, 09:25 AM
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It's interesting how the malls here have evolved over time.
When I first moved here (early 90s), Barton Creek and Highland were pretty much on par. In fact, Highland might have been a bit nicer. Highland had a J Crew at that time, and BC did not, the Dillard's had nicer handbags, for example.
But Highland seemed to get cruddy really quickly after that. But BC was SUPER LAME for a long time. Nordstrom's is a new addition to that mall, and it has, slowly become more relevant over time. They still don't have an H & M, however.
Lakeline is okay. The Dillard's is better, has more inventory, and has been renovated at least.
The Domain is really too upscale for most Austinites, and the outdoor concept is optimistic at best. Can it really work in this climate?
08-31-2011, 12:47 PM
Location: Austin, TX
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Can it really work in this climate?
Yes, and it does.
I was reading an article a few years back that even in Arizona, people were flocking to lifestyle centers even in the heat of summer. They were flocking to lifestyle centers in Virginia even in the dead of winter.
There's a whole generation that never got to experience "Main Street USA" except when they went to Disneyland/Disneyworld. People are demanding that experience, of having their kids play in fountains on hot summer days, eating ice cream or drinking smoothies, or of sipping hot cocoa or coffee by a roaring fire on a winter's night. Outdoor lifestyle centers offer this kind of nostalgia. Also, they allow al fresca (outdoor) dining, which malls can't offer.
Some may say go to downtown to experience walkable streets, but in many areas of the country, downtown is just a bunch of shuttered stores. We're fortunate we have such a vibrant downtown.
Lifestyle centers are the new thing.
08-31-2011, 01:18 PM
Location: Avery Ranch, Austin, TX
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Yes, and it does.
I was reading an article a few years back that even in Arizona, people were flocking to lifestyle centers even in the heat of summer. They were flocking to lifestyle centers in Virginia even in the dead of winter.
There's a whole generation that never got to experience "Main Street USA" except when they went to Disneyland/Disneyworld. People are demanding that experience, of having their kids play in fountains on hot summer days, eating ice cream or drinking smoothies, or of sipping hot cocoa or coffee by a roaring fire on a winter's night. Outdoor lifestyle centers offer this kind of nostalgia. Also, they allow al fresca (outdoor) dining, which malls can't offer.
Some may say go to downtown to experience walkable streets, but in many areas of the country, downtown is just a bunch of shuttered stores. We're fortunate we have such a vibrant downtown.
Lifestyle centers are the new thing.
I don't get it. If I need something that I can buy at Lakeline Mall or the Domain and it's 107 degrees outside, guess which place I'm going. I don't see anything 'lifestyle' about the Domain, other than the collection of 'nice' stores(I prefer WoodCraft or Lowe's to another cute clothing store or accessories boutique, but I'm a guy-don'cha know
). I will say that if I'm feeling lonely, I can take our cute Scottie to the Domain and have plenty of girls coming up to visit(I'm an old married dude, but don't mind chatting with fun females. My DW even refers to our 'darling' as a chick magnet.)
I guess I've missed the roaring fire and/or fountains at the Domain...can't say I've noticed any as I sweat walking from Sur La Table to the Apple Store, never mind the quarter-mile hike to Dick's. And I'm pretty sure I can get ice cream or coffee at any enclosed mall. Who wants to sit outside on the pavestone eating a $5 ice cream cone when it's 105 degrees?
Maybe a shopping 'center' with a retractable roof would be the answer. Go topless when the weather's nice, close 'er up and hit the A/C when it's summer-time(4-5 months of the year here in Austin).
At least the Arboretum has some shade and covering over the walkway. Now if they could just start over with the parking lot design.
I've also seen quite a few mall restaurants that offered patio style dining in addition to their conventional indoor space.
Disclaimer: I am a guy with no children in tow, typically 'destination' driven, not known to 'shop' store to store except when threatened with a severe punishment.
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People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)