What is the appeal of ricing a car? (wagon, Dodge, Honda)
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not if that engine is built for those higher rpms, and Hondas are built for that.
And the whole generic "fart cans sound bad" ironically shows the lack of knowledge by whoever says that. Yes, different exhaust designs can give slightly different sounds on the same car, but by and large the sound that is coming out of the back is a direct result of the type of engine, not necessarily that it has a bigger pipe at the back. My WRX wagon has a 3 in at the back, and it sounds completely different than what most people associate with a fart can, which is either a weedeater or a hive of bees. A proper exhaust setup on a Subaru sounds absolutely nothing like that unless theyve switched to equal length headers.
Boxer engines are the only 4 cylinder engines that don't have an annoying obnoxious sound when exhaust mods are done, IMO.
Yes, it is a matter of opinion. The cars I like don't need to rev to 8000 rpm to make their power. But let's not try to fool ourselves... a Honda will always look like a Honda. And will never look like a '60s/early-'70s American muscle like these:
Oh, yeah, the old "hp/liter." Well, I don't use the term "liter." Cubic inches all the way for me, baby!
How many Hondas can lay rubber for 100+ feet (without powerbraking)?
Muscle cars are cool. I've still got a '65 Nova, and used to own a restored '67 Camaro as a 19 year old, not to mention driving my dads 2 67s. However, now that I've gotten into Subarus, I don't have as much interest in muscle cars for the simple reason that I enjoy driving. Yes, muscle cars are fun to cruise in and the occasional straight line romp, but they pale in comparison to the driving enjoyment I get out of my WRX wagon, simply because I like to go around curves. I get more enjoyment out of car that does quite a few things well as opposed to a muscle car which only does one thing well.
Boxer engines are the only 4 cylinder engines that don't have an annoying obnoxious sound when exhaust mods are done, IMO.
This is true, but like I said, throw some equal length headers on, and they start sounding like an inline 4. People change to get the little bit of extra power that ELs give over UELs, but IMO it isn't worth sacrificing that boxer low, grumbly growl.
Plenty of videos of ricers' engines shredding themselves. Nitrous oxide, turbo/super charger, cold air intake, and high flow exhaust are fine, but your factory engine parts are generally cast, not forged, so they can't take the stress.
Muscle cars are cool. I've still got a '65 Nova, and used to own a restored '67 Camaro as a 19 year old, not to mention driving my dads 2 67s. However, now that I've gotten into Subarus, I don't have as much interest in muscle cars for the simple reason that I enjoy driving. Yes, muscle cars are fun to cruise in and the occasional straight line romp, but they pale in comparison to the driving enjoyment I get out of my WRX wagon, simply because I like to go around curves. I get more enjoyment out of car that does quite a few things well as opposed to a muscle car which only does one thing well.
Back to that myth again?
It's been mentioned here before that quite a few muscle car owners do suspension upgrades to their cars. I've seen cars like '60s/'70s Camaros, Firebirds and 'Cudas with such upgrades outperforming imports on autocross tracks!
Sorry, but I would never prefer an import (and a wagon at that) over my favorite muscle car (1969 Dodge Coronet R/T 440-Magnum). Where I live, in a valley, about 90% of the streets are straight. There are streets with a lot of turns and curves in the mountains, but I rarely drive there. And when I do, my "no handling" cars can corner at 10-15 mph over the speed limit! Even my '76 Cadillac Limousine can take curves with a "35 mph" speed limit at 45-50 mph.
Plenty of videos of ricers' engines shredding themselves. Nitrous oxide, turbo/super charger, cold air intake, and high flow exhaust are fine, but your factory engine parts are generally cast, not forged, so they can't take the stress.
Good point and that is probably why quite a few of engines in classic muscle cars have not been rebuilt... they are under much less stress, unless they are extremely modified.
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Back to that myth again?
It's been mentioned here before that quite a few muscle car owners do suspension upgrades to their cars. I've seen cars like '60s/'70s Camaros, Firebirds and 'Cudas with such upgrades outperforming imports on autocross tracks!
I've seen (original)Minis outperforming big block Corvettes on road courses.
How many muscle cars can get 30+ mpg will still running mid to low 14 seconds 1/4 mile?
An apples to oranges comparison. How many Honda's can seat 6 people and their luggage for a 2-week vacation trip?
The reason the Honda mentioned a few days ago can run 14s is because of their very high redline and the gearing. They have a 1st gear ratio of 3.20:1 or 3.40:1 while the GM muscle cars (with automatic transmissions) had a 2.48:1 1st gear ratio and the Mopars had 2.45:1.
Another good example would be a 2008 Acura TL. The axle ratio is way up there at 4.31:1. A typical Mopar ratio was only 3.23:1. Also, a 340 Dart GTS and Swinger were running in the 14s over 40 years ago! With a relatively mildly-tuned engine, skinny 1960s bias-ply tires and no 8000 rpm redline.
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