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View Poll Results: Which car company will go bankrupt (or bailed out) next?
GM 1 2.56%
Ford 2 5.13%
Stellantis 7 17.95%
Tesla 12 30.77%
Toyota 0 0%
Honda 0 0%
Subaru 0 0%
Mazda 1 2.56%
Hyundai / Kia 1 2.56%
VW 0 0%
Daimler / Mercedes 0 0%
BMW 1 2.56%
Volvo / Geely 1 2.56%
Jaguar / Land Rover / Tata Motors 3 7.69%
SAIC 0 0%
BYD 0 0%
Nio 1 2.56%
XPeng 1 2.56%
Rivian 0 0%
Lucid 3 7.69%
Aston Martin 0 0%
Nikola Motors 5 12.82%
Voters: 39. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-11-2021, 10:25 PM
 
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What the new ceo of Stellantis said about the Chrysler division

On Chrysler, at a press conference in February, Tavares said that he is "eager to give this brand a future" and suggested that Stellantis is looking for ways to reinvigorate Chrysler rather than cut it.
Hopefully they can do for Chrysler what Fiat and Mercedes-Benz mopar and Chrysler failed to do. I won't hold my breath they already have a reputation for being of poor quality and partnering with Fiat which is even far poorer quality seems to have cut against them.
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Old 03-12-2021, 03:19 AM
 
Location: White House, TN
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I voted for Nio. I know it's a random vote, but I think it will most likely be one of the Chinese startup companies, and Nio is the only one I hadn't heard of.
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Old 03-12-2021, 06:00 AM
 
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Chrysler is a company though.
Not anymore - it's a brand.
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Old 03-12-2021, 06:14 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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Hopefully they can do for Chrysler what Fiat and Mercedes-Benz mopar and Chrysler failed to do. I won't hold my breath they already have a reputation for being of poor quality and partnering with Fiat which is even far poorer quality seems to have cut against them.
Things will change with different platforms that will be available through the merger. You might even see Opel components used in future Chrysler vehicles, and I’m sure you will see a Chrysler CUV for the American
market. After all the new merger will have all these brands under one roof now.


Abarth Alfa Romeo Chrysler Citroën Dodge DS Fiat Fiat Professional Jeep Lancia Maserati Mopar Opel Peugeot Ram Vauxhall
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Old 03-12-2021, 06:37 AM
 
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Not anymore - it's a brand.
Yes. Like Chevy or Lincoln or Acura.
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Old 03-12-2021, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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Yes. Like Chevy or Lincoln or Acura.
Correct like you have GM the company and then you have GMC the full-size pickup division, like Chevrolet, Buick, Cadillac, Hummer.
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Old 03-12-2021, 09:19 AM
 
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From a cold analytical standpoint, Ford is the correct choice. It has a massive debt-to-equity ratio of 5.5 -- the company owes far more than its worth. The debt-to-equity ratio is twice as high as GM's and 10 times higher than Tesla's. Ford's corporate bonds are rated BB+, near junk status.

While I don't think Ford's bankruptcy is imminent, in a severe downturn that debt load would put them in a precarious position. Of course if Ford did default on its debt the government would bail them out. But it would still count as a bankruptcy.
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Old 03-12-2021, 10:28 AM
 
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From a cold analytical standpoint, Ford is the correct choice. It has a massive debt-to-equity ratio of 5.5 -- the company owes far more than its worth. The debt-to-equity ratio is twice as high as GM's and 10 times higher than Tesla's. Ford's corporate bonds are rated BB+, near junk status.

While I don't think Ford's bankruptcy is imminent, in a severe downturn that debt load would put them in a precarious position. Of course if Ford did default on its debt the government would bail them out. But it would still count as a bankruptcy.
That's funny, I looked over the list again and I stopped at Ford for a moment and thought the same thing.

Their vehicle line up is not much to be impressed about depending on how you look at it. I mean they have some real bright spots, but they don't really seem to have a general appeal range of vehicles. I dunno, could be genius, maybe not. Obviously their bland sedans made no splash at all so nobody's really missing them but they were so "meh" in their last few years I feel like some people just wrote Ford off completely.

Maybe their current and future line-up of CUVs/SUVs will raise their balance sheet again. I can't say they've been met with accolades so far.

Of course I know someone will through the F-150 out there but I'm not talking about that, though I'm sure that's holding up the empire.

Lincoln is a suv company now. Maybe genius, maybe not. No halo vehicles. Just well-executed bling but hardly alone in that category.
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Old 03-12-2021, 02:04 PM
 
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That's funny, I looked over the list again and I stopped at Ford for a moment and thought the same thing.
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Of course I know someone will through the F-150 out there but I'm not talking about that, though I'm sure that's holding up the empire.

Yup. Once all of the Joe Schmoes have bought their $50,000 trucks with 7-year loans, then what?
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Old 03-13-2021, 01:50 AM
 
Location: Saint Johns, FL
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I picked Nikola. Entire birth of company was fraud based. Now they are trying to salvage things. I think the Fuel Cell thing will fail on Semis. Electric will eat their lunch.
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