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Old 02-23-2023, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Boston
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Old 02-23-2023, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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The rules are being implemented in several States. The reason for the added cost when registering an EV is for the State to recuperate a portion of the money being lost from the fuel taxes used for road maintenance. However, I person I know in WA told me that there are two additional charges for registering an EV in Washington. Regardless, government incentives aren't free since those incentives come from all State and national taxpayers.

This one State vehicle registration:
https://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.17.323

However, as the cost of generating electricity increases as fuel becomes more expensive, it is passed down to the consumer. Greater demand for electrical power requires more of it to be generated. Keep in mind that NJ imports more electricity than it produces, and also that this State is a major fuel distributor.

That said, the point I am trying to make is that as the Federal, State, and local governments lose revenue from the sale of fuels, the loss is passed down to all taxpayers.

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Old 02-23-2023, 05:14 PM
 
Location: New Jersey!!!!
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NJ imports about 1/5 of its power from PA. The rest is produced here.
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Old 02-23-2023, 08:08 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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NJ imports about 1/5 of its power from PA. The rest is produced here.
You are right about imported electricity.
 
Old 02-23-2023, 08:13 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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NJ imports about 1/5 of its power from PA. The rest is produced here.

Yea, NJ also imports all 100% of its gasoline. If energy imports across state lines are such an important issue, then it would seem like NJ really needs to get cracking on switching to EVs.
 
Old 02-23-2023, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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Yea, NJ also imports all 100% of its gasoline. If energy imports across state lines are such an important issue, then it would seem like NJ really needs to get cracking on switching to EVs.
I believe that NJ has a couple of oil refineries, but I am surprised about no gasoline refining, just JP fuel, heavy fuel oil (bunker fuel), heating fuel, and so on:
https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_pnp_cap1_dcu_SNJ_a.htm
 
Old 02-24-2023, 02:59 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas & San Diego
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Recently from MSN: Electric shock: A new study found that EVs cost more to fuel than gas-powered cars at the end of 2022

Road use taxes for EVs are in the works ....only a matter of time before your state adds a TAX line to your state income tax to collect $.10 a miles, drive 12,000 miles a year? Add $1,200 to your annual state taxes. BUT, wait there's more: The Federal Gvt will need to do the same thing to your Federal Taxes to recover Federal Road Taxes........buckle up (pun intended) the additional taxing is about to commence.
Really bogus report - according to the data they used, electricity at home is $11.60 for 100 miles. Most EVs get between 3 and 4 miles per Kw so between 25 and 33 Kw needed- gives an electricity cost of between $0.35 and $0.47/kw to get that number. The average rate in the us is about $0.14/kw according to EIA.gov - which would be less than half the cost they used. Even using the highest average rate in the US (San Diego at $0.36) ignores that EV rates are often lower than the average rates - in San Diego, I pay $0.10/KW to charge an EV or about $2.50 to $3.30 to go 100 miles, not the $11.60 that they used.

CA already charges an additional registration fee of about $100 for EVs to make up for road tax. BTW - the idea of $0.10/mile is ludicris - that would be equivalent to a road tax of about $3/gal (at 30 mpg) - no state has a gas tax anywhere close to that.
 
Old 02-24-2023, 05:27 AM
 
Location: New Jersey!!!!
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Even $11.60, which is a huge exaggeration, would still be cheaper than most gas cars.
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Old 02-24-2023, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Newburyport, MA
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I believe that NJ has a couple of oil refineries, but I am surprised about no gasoline refining, just JP fuel, heavy fuel oil (bunker fuel), heating fuel, and so on:
https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_pnp_cap1_dcu_SNJ_a.htm
New Jersey has pretty good prices on gasoline - certainly better than average. I haven't lived there for decades, but they always had a big petrochemical industry base - industrial chemicals, paints, coatings, plastics, flavors, fragrances, pharmaceuticals. That's where all the gibes about toxic waste there come from - all the chemical industries, in the bad old days, were incredibly irresponsible with their waste storage and disposal practices.
 
Old 02-24-2023, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Paradise CA, that place on fire
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An Extreme Winter Test in Our Long-Term Lucid Air Left Us Hot and Cold" on the Motor Trend website. Free to read, no paywall.

The test is way too long to paste or even paraphrase. Scary stuff. They charged it to 100%, parked it outside all night, and went for a drive next morning at temps in the 6 F* range.

The heater didn't work. The estimated range dropped like a stone, and even so it wasn't accurate. At the end it went into limp mode and failed to keep up with the speed limit.

Mind you, this was a super nice car at the cost of $ 180 K, give or take a few thousand. I could get a Macan at half the cost and use the remaining $ 90 K for gas and repairs for the next 15 years.

When I calculated the cost of charging it at the rate of $ 0.36 per KWH, what we pay in N. California, the cost is approx. the same as our Hyundai Kona on $ 4.60 unleaded, 30 mpg. My heater works fine, and the Kona turbo does the speed limit ( and a hell of a lot more) until the gas tank is bone dry.
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