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Old 10-31-2015, 11:13 PM
 
Location: Tucson, AZ
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I think it lost an engine and the crew responded inappropriately. They tried to divert but didn't set something right and got into a deep stall and pancaked into the ground.

The last thing that was recorded was a bunch of nose downs followed by nose ups like a roller coaster. then one huge nose up climb at 8000 feet per minute then the airspeed decayed to 93 kts, and then it just fell like a rock. There is a point when the airplane gets so wildly out of control nothing can bring it back.

IS whatever they are this month decides to lay claim to it because.. why not? They nothing to lose and everything to gain by claiming responsibility. Great recruitment propaganda. We stabbed Russia right in the heart for their crimes against us, look at how bad ass we are!

Of course a bomb could also cause this lack of control.

One thing I do know is after Egypt Air 990 I would not trust Egypt to conduct an investigation.
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Old 10-31-2015, 11:14 PM
 
Location: Paradise CA, that place on fire
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If ISIS has anything to do with this tragedy they had just written up their own death certificate. The Russians will go after ISIS like a Doberman goes for a rat and they might just accomplish in six months what our Western military powers couldn't/wouldn't do in years. I'm no fan of the Red Army, but they don't worry about collateral damage, as long as the job gets done.
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Old 11-01-2015, 01:13 AM
 
Location: England
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Watched an interview with the wife of the planes co-pilot Sergei Trukhachnev, she said her husband had complained about the planes condition.
Natalya Trukhachnev told state controlled NTV that their daughter had called her father before the flight left Sharm el Sheikh "He complained before the flight that the technical condition of the aircraft left much to be desired" she said.

Seems Sergei was right.
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Old 11-01-2015, 02:22 AM
 
Location: North Texas
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If ISIS has anything to do with this tragedy they had just written up their own death certificate. The Russians will go after ISIS like a Doberman goes for a rat and they might just accomplish in six months what our Western military powers couldn't/wouldn't do in years. I'm no fan of the Red Army, but they don't worry about collateral damage, as long as the job gets done.
Sure, just as they did in Afghanistan by getting their collective a#s kicked.
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Old 11-01-2015, 05:20 AM
 
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True. But the opposite statement is equally true.

There is no evidence that this was anything but a terrorist issue (rather than a technical one).
I read on some website that the terrorists in the Sinai region don't have rockets capable of hitting an airliner at such altitudes.
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Old 11-01-2015, 05:42 AM
 
Location: Type 0.73 Kardashev
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2014 and 2015 seemed to be the most fatal years when it comes to airliners in recent history.
If you define 'recent history' as 'since 2011', yes. Not much of a time span there, five years.

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Did we even have over 200+ air crash deaths in the early 2010s


Is 2014 the deadliest year for flights? Not even close - CNN.com

2010 was deadlier than 2014. 2015 hasn't caught 2014 yet.

Because air fatalities come in very isolated incidents, and because whether or not there are 50 or 400 people on a plane that happens to have a problem is essentially random, the per/year fatality rate statistically floats somewhat over the short term of several years. But the long-term trend is abundantly obvious. The decline is even more dramatic when one realizes that there are more flights every year, and - for those of us who generally fly in the western world - those fatalities are increasingly concentrated in the third world, emerging markets, and the ex-Soviet countries.

So, yeah, while the occasional flights from Houston to Toronto, Stockholm to Rome, or Sydney to Tokyo might meet a bad end, the odds of that happening are still dropping.
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Old 11-01-2015, 06:45 AM
 
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Both flight data recorders were recovered.
News story this morning said they were still looking for the second recorder (didn't say which one they had)
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Old 11-01-2015, 06:56 AM
 
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As per latest Russian news.
1. Airbus apparently fell apart in the air. Debris are spread over approximately 16 s.km. Cockpit and rudder are long distance apart. Cockpit is completely smashed. Wings flipped upside down.
2. One of the passengers body was found 8 km from the main crash site.
3. So far, 163 bodies were recovered, then 11 more.
4. Black boxes data are being investigated right now.
5. NO suspicion about the so called "outside influence" are considered valid as of now.
6. Main hypotheses are fire on board of catastrophic failure, resulting in airplane going into corkscrew free fall and disintegrating in the air.
7. Egyptian technician that inspected the plane before take off states it was in good condition
8. All of those airplanes belonging to the airline were pulled off service for immediate inspection.
9. Was mentioned that that particular flying zone over Egypt is considered "unstable' and several airlines changed their routes to avoid it.
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Old 11-01-2015, 07:19 AM
 
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The aircraft involved was damaged in a tailstrike in 2001. I cant help but wonder if some pressure vessel damage might have happened/been repaired and may have played a part in this? Some of the wreckage shown in photos, and their location reported, seems to mimic a sequence similar to JAL flight 123's crash.
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Old 11-01-2015, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Elysium
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If ISIS has anything to do with this tragedy they had just written up their own death certificate. The Russians will go after ISIS like a Doberman goes for a rat and they might just accomplish in six months what our Western military powers couldn't/wouldn't do in years. I'm no fan of the Red Army, but they don't worry about collateral damage, as long as the job gets done.
There is no "ISIS" to go after. The US has spent this century going after al Qaeda only to find out that every Muslim who believes what they do declare themselves part of the Islamic State where a few years ago it was al Qaeda in (fill in the blank)
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