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Old 11-01-2015, 07:04 PM
 
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If it wasn’t the terrorist attack, then as far as I could tell that the Russians had bad aviation maintains.

The bad Russian maintains were not the news tome. The Russians equipment was built for the rugged and one-way suicidal mission; but the French machines were other than rugged. You almost needed to perfume the French machines before they started working. The Russian ground crews probably needed to get more sophisticated and gradually quit vodkas (although I knew without vodkas, nobody could survive the Siberia).

Other than that, there were complains when an Asian air force imported the latest Mirage-2000-5: that the French engines were so fragile. The French fighter jet engines behaved irregularly, that included easily broken blades, the engine won’t start (on a warm day), the engine went dead in the middle of flight. Yet anyway, I was thinking that the air force got the export versions of the war machines. But the later news in the aviation industrials suggested otherwise.



The logic skills were very important for the maintaince. And the contemporary British English required a decent amount of logistic skills to be good at it; although the girl got political sometimes.

Last edited by CPPU12345; 11-01-2015 at 07:10 PM.. Reason: one way suicidal mission
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Old 11-02-2015, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Tucson, AZ
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Wow, tail fell off in flight... that is tragic. Now people know why tail strikes are so serious and require immediate return.

Echos of JAL 123 and China Air Lines 611.

The Russians are not to blame they did not do the maintenance after the tail strike.

The tail strike was in 2001 in Cairo. By all accounts a very serious hard landing with excessive nose up. It dropped like a rock from 50 feet up 700/ft min. most normal landings are about 100-300 ft/ min at touch down. When the tail strike occurred the jet flew for MEA which is based in Beirut Lebanon. No one knows who did the repairs but rumor is Airbus itself did the repairs as the damage was deemed too bad to be carried out by local repair facilities.
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Old 11-02-2015, 09:01 AM
 
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Wow, tail fell off in flight... that is tragic. Now people know why tail strikes are so serious and require immediate return.

Echos of JAL 123 and China Air Lines 611.

The Russians are not to blame they did not do the maintenance after the tail strike.

The tail strike was in 2001 in Cairo. By all accounts a very serious hard landing with excessive nose up. It dropped like a rock from 50 feet up 700/ft min. most normal landings are about 100-300 ft/ min at touch down. When the tail strike occurred the jet flew for MEA which is based in Beirut Lebanon. No one knows who did the repairs but rumor is Airbus itself did the repairs as the damage was deemed too bad to be carried out by local repair facilities.
The tail was not the issue.

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According to the airline, both of the plane’s engines were inspected Oct. 26 in Moscow, and while the plane had a previous issue with its tail, the problem was fully repaired and didn’t cause the crash.
An 'External Impact' May Have Caused The Russian Plane Crash | The Daily Caller

They are trending towards a bomb now.

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Paul Beaver, a British military analyst interviewed by the AP, said “ISIS doesn’t have a ‘double-digit’ SAM (surface-to-air missile) that is necessary to go up as far as 31,000 feet.” Such would disprove the group’s claims if the “external impact” theory proves to be true. However, Beaver went so far as to say that the crash was probably caused by a bomb on board the plane.
Airline Official Claims Russian Plane Went Down Due to ‘External Impact’ | Mediaite
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Old 11-02-2015, 10:21 AM
 
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So why not wait for the result of the investigation before jumping to a conclusion.
The problem is that the Russians will be doing the investigation, so it will simply be a Putin propaganda piece.

My guess is that they say it was terrorists, because saying otherwise means Russians lose faith in their aviation practices, plus it's another way he can rally the people to blame outsiders.
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Old 11-02-2015, 10:39 AM
 
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As of this day afternoon news from Russia.
Russian inspectors now have access to recorders.
One is slightly damaged but they are not concerned.
Airplane apparently fell apart in the air.
It was, after descent to 10 000m shortly after in free fall, as its speed reduced to 170 km/h and at this speed those planes do not fly. They fall.
Everything happened so fast that pilot didn't have a chance to press red button his - I am not a pilot, is it steering wheel? yoke? control wheel? - to activate radio communication.
Airplane company states that rudder was repaired by Airbus 11 years ago and plane ever since passed all inspections and tech service. Tech service is required every six years and this was done in 2009.

Unfortunately, and this is my personal comment, repair done to rudder poses a question - why tale section was 5 km away from the main crash site? 5 km is quite a distance for a free falling plane.

Any comments by plane company that there was "outside influence" that caused crash is ONLY that company hypothesis. There are no - so far - proofs to that. I am pretty sure why they ar insinuating this, but I am trying to stick to the facts. Facts are - no one knows yet.
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Old 11-02-2015, 11:09 AM
 
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Sounds to me like something internal, like a altitude fused bomb, severed the tail from the rest of the aircraft.
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Old 11-02-2015, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma USA
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Flight "Was Not Struck from the Outside"

Crashed Russian Airliner not struck from the outside - Investigator | TVC NEWS

I have read elsewhere that Russian, Egyptian, and French investigators are opening and analyzing the flight data recorders jointly.
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Old 11-02-2015, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma USA
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Russian deputy airline director rules out technical fault and pilot error

(midway down article)

Flight recorders show crashed Russian jet not struck from outside: Investigator - Politics - Egypt - Ahram Online

Worth reading.

So far, I agree with others who have posted that a barometric triggered -- or otherwise detonated -- explosive device on board is the likeliest cause.

No evidence contradicts it.

Evidence is stacking up to contradict other causes.
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Old 11-02-2015, 12:57 PM
 
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Ok, let's be clear. The only ones "ruling out" technical fault with the plane or the pilots are officials with the airline itself. The airline has a vested interest in absolving itself of responsibility and these officials are not the actual investigators and do not have direct access to the actual evidence.
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Old 11-02-2015, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma USA
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As our above poster says, these are statements by persons with something at stake other than simply finding out facts.

Here, another article says that an airline spokesman says that the flight was hit from an external source:

Metrojet exec says external impact caused Egypt plane crash | KSL.com

I am failing to find any evidence to this effect, but in fairness it too deserves a read as apparently it comes from one or another source associated with the flight.

Seems like all these spokesmen for the airline should compare notes before giving statements, but that might be to much to ask.
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