Baltimore Key Bridge Collapses. (California, Chester: contractors, cost, to move)

[ion475]

Originally Posted by memph

Looks like tugboats were with the ship when it was leaving Point Breeze but then left the ship once it was on course towards the bridge.
https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/statu...99911973831054

Then the ship lost power and that caused the ship to drift off course and crash into the pillars.

It seems like the Port of Baltimore isn't huge huge for US container shipping (1.6%) so it shouldn't disrupt national supply chains too much but it will be rough for the local economy.
edit: but maybe I'm underestimating the local impacts. Baltimore is 1.6% of shipping volume, but maybe the shipping it does do is more essential? I'm not a logistics expert.

Most of the stuff in/out of Port of Baltimore are not containers (even though MV Dali, the ship that crashed into Key Bridge, is a container ship) but automobile. It's #1 in terms of automobile and light trucks in and out of US. Also lots of bulk cargo (i.e. coals, sugars, etc.).

It's only the 9th busiest port in US, but having the port down for at least a month (if not more) is definitely going to create a ripple effect with ships going to either Norfolk or NY or even Wilmington instead.

Anyway, prospect are not looking good for the construction workers that are still missing. Crossing finger and hoping for the best.

[memph]

Originally Posted by Boothwynman

Where did you get that 1.6 percent figure?

It's 1.6% if you add up the totals on this map.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...iner_ports.png

But as others pointed out, I should include bulk shipping rather than just containers, so based off this list it would be 1.8%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States

[Mike from back east]

It's my hometown. I've been over that bridge many times.

The collapse is a tragedy on many levels, starting with the loss of life of road repairs workers who were there.

I expect this will prevent ship traffic in and out of the port of Baltimore, container ships, car carriers, cruise ships, coal shipping out of the Curtis Bay area, many more industries in the Wagners Point and Curtis Bay area, and shiploads of raw sugar to the Domino Sugar refinery on Key Highway where I worked 1969-1973.

Ship traffic must go elsewhere as the port awaits clearing bridge debris from the shipping channel. The clearing work will take months for barge-mounted cranes and divers with underwater cutting torches to get down there to cut up the wreckage in chunks small enough for cranes to lift.

This is what investors call a "black swan," a major negative event that comes out of nowhere to clobber a firm and its stock. A lot of firms, and its employees, will be clobbered without a functioning port. That's the ongoing tragedy of this.

[Joakim3]

Originally Posted by ion475

Most of the stuff in/out of Port of Baltimore are not containers (even though MV Dali, the ship that crashed into Key Bridge, is a container ship) but automobile. It's #1 in terms of automobile and light trucks in and out of US. Also lots of bulk cargo (i.e. coals, sugars, etc.).

It's only the 9th busiest port in US, but having the port down for at least a month (if not more) is definitely going to create a ripple effect with ships going to either Norfolk or NY or even Wilmington instead.

Anyway, prospect are not looking good for the construction workers that are still missing. Crossing finger and hoping for the best.

It’s either Norfolk or NYC.

The container ships that enter Baltimore are to big to port in Delaware/Philly which creates a whole slew of issues.

So now instead of shipping goods to the door steps of a 10 million person region (DC-Baltimore CSA), you have to dock your shop +200 miles away and then truck/train any and every goods and any good currently in the port are effectively stranded for the next days-weeks.

It’s an nightmare logistics scenario for the entire NEC if there’s ever been one.

[Johnhw222]

Originally Posted by BOORGONG

That is a major thing. A very important bridge.

Very sad for the people that lost their lives because of the incompetence of a pilot/captain.

Why did you assume pilot incompetence caused this.

[gofunme]

Port of Baltimore is 1/3 as busy as Port of Oakland or Seattle. Oakland or Seattle ports are only about 1/4 as busy as Los Angeles or Long Beach. Size is unimportant to region, they are all very busy. Thing about Port of Baltimore or any other port is that they are all operating at near full capacity. All these ports are constantly expanding capacity. If Baltimore port is shut down completely, it is unrealistic to expect nearby Ports to pick up the slack. It just is not possible. The URGENT need for Baltimore area is to get the bridge wreckage cleared away so that ship traffic can resume ASAP. Hopefully the wreckage can be cleared in days and not weeks. That is why Sec of Transportation and POTUS are heading that way... to get things moving and cut away red tape.

[Cloudy Dayz]

Looking at some of the aerial images, I couldn't help but notice that the powerline poles next to the bridge have protective concrete barriers around them while the bridge supports had nothing. It kind of shows where our priorities are.

[jcp123]

I’m hearing now that the ship suffered a power loss and that the harbor pilot had made a mayday call prior to striking the bridge.

[Joakim3]

Originally Posted by gofunme

Port of Baltimore is 1/3 as busy as Port of Oakland or Seattle. Oakland or Seattle ports are only about 1/4 as busy as Los Angeles or Long Beach. Size is unimportant to region, they are all very busy. Thing about Port of Baltimore or any other port is that they are all operating at near full capacity. All these ports are constantly expanding capacity. If Baltimore port is shut down completely, it is unrealistic to expect nearby Ports to pick up the slack. It just is not possible. The URGENT need for Baltimore area is to get the bridge wreckage cleared away so that ship traffic can resume ASAP. Hopefully the wreckage can be cleared in days and not weeks. That is why Sec of Transportation and POTUS are heading that way... to get things moving and cut away red tape.

Ugh by total tonnage…

LA/Long Beach: 138 million

Seattle/Tacoma: 44.5 million

Baltimore: 35.2 million

Oakland: 19.4 million

Ports don’t stop and end at containers lol. Anything and everything that can be shipped comes through Baltimores, but to your point the overflow capacity is the issues now, not port size in isolation (at these scales)

[Cloudy Dayz]

Originally Posted by jcp123

I’m hearing now that the ship suffered a power loss and that the harbor pilot had made a mayday call prior to striking the bridge.

Correct. Which is why the bridge had been shut down and there was no one on it, except for the construction workers, who apparently didn't get the message.