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Old 01-21-2012, 03:55 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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...you don't really live in California, it just seems like you only exist. I don't know anyone that lives without a lot of stress because of the cost of living here.
And I don't know anyone who lives with stress due to California's cost of living. Why stay here if you feel as if you just exist? It makes no sense.
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Old 01-21-2012, 03:56 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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You are flat out mistaken that everyone in California lives with a lot of stress over the COL. There are millions and millions and millions of very very very happy people in Calif. ... many of whom are not a bit wealthy...
Since I can't rep you I'll just say that you're absolutely right.
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Old 01-21-2012, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Quimper Peninsula
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This is outrageous what's happening here, and the levels of stress... the problem the tech jobs are hoarded here (Bay)--YES, at this point I firmly believe this is a part of strategic development plan, in line with UN Agenda 21--and a person ends up tied to highly urbanized area due to work opportunities. No effort is being made by the government to enforce or encourage dispersing the jobs to more affordable areas, and people are packed like rats in the cage here. It is easier to control people when they're packed together and depend on the same infrastructure, this is what it is about. Highly urbanized, dependent, unarmed population that can be wrecked and controlled literally with a push of a button, by disconnecting utilities and blocking freeways.
Very interesting conspiracy theory........

While I am a proud owner of a tin foil hat and enjoy conspiracy theories, I am not sure if this is the case here... Companies of a like industry feed of one another, share a pool of workers and so on.... If one off and leaves for a remote town somewhere, where will the find the pool of workers and thinkers....? Also I think we see the dispersal to more affordable areas, that is what urban sprawl is.

Interesting and intriguing to entertain the thought though...
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Old 01-21-2012, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Outside of Los Angeles
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I wasn't talking about my situation, that's the first thing. And secondly, CA is not a cheap place to live in. It depends what is meant by living because it is all relative. if you want to own a nice home, a car and lots of other material things, this might not be the place to do it. If you go one state over to AZ for example, your dollars go much farther, that's the difference.
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Old 01-22-2012, 12:06 PM
 
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Very interesting conspiracy theory........

While I am a proud owner of a tin foil hat and enjoy conspiracy theories, I am not sure if this is the case here... Companies of a like industry feed of one another, share a pool of workers and so on.... If one off and leaves for a remote town somewhere, where will the find the pool of workers and thinkers....? Also I think we see the dispersal to more affordable areas, that is what urban sprawl is.

Interesting and intriguing to entertain the thought though...
Are you familiar with current situation in Bay area? The area is being flooded with new people seeking tech jobs who are unable to find rental housing, due to competition and rental rates went 30-50% up in one year. People rent tent camping spaces in backyards for $40/day. These "professionals" have no chance of ever owning housing in the area where they work, despite all effort they spent to obtain their hard engineering education and become middle class. These "engineers" live in disgusting, tiny rental rooms in Bay area (apprently, going through CS program does not teach an hour of "common sense", and Reality 101 had been replaced with mandatory "diversity studies"). Middle class is pushed out of the area. This situation must be stopped. Dispersing population means more development--yes--but more development will occur in any case, unless population growth is stopped, there's only that much that land can take, unless people move on Mars.

As to the "pool of workers"--it is not a pond with fish, this is humans, who need to have own home, stability, space. Time to end this "pool of workers", "disposable" workers, jumping from company to company local situation, fraudulent start ups who go broke and fire every one after several month, etc, etc, etc. This is insane, unhealthy situation that only reflects criminal government. There's no excuse for it to exist and continue.

Finally, it is in the interest of global elites to have population, and not only in the US, concentrated in few urban metropolises, for easier control. If someone decided to establish dictatorship or mortgage away the labor force and the land in the country, they'd need such population structure. Notice how hard it is to fight war in Afghanistan--why? Because population is highly dispersed in the local mountains. With city-state, it'd only take one bomb, or even simply disconnecting utilities and tainting water supply. What's interesting, all these systems will have computerized control, and the life of populations will depend on a piece of software, essentially. Concentrated, disarmed population dependent on personal electronic devices and disconnected from land makes perfect slave population--you can even control them with smart phone apps, conveniently; add gps to devices and you know every one's location at any point in time.

You call it a conspiracy theory... the thing is that is it not. It is something that you see every day and is evident and on the surface at this point, and it is a global change and direction, not only in the US. People who refuse to see it either have vested interests or are like fish that sits in the water and can't tell that the water temperature is rising--this might seem unreasonable--as it's hard to feel the day to day change; but at some point the temperature becomes way too high to survive.

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Old 01-22-2012, 12:35 PM
 
Location: My Own Private Island
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Are you familiar with current situation in Bay area? The area is being flooded with new people seeking tech jobs who are unable to find rental housing, due to competition and rental rates went 30-50% up in one year. People rent tent camping spaces in backyards for $40/day. These "professionals" have no chance of ever owning housing in the area where they work, despite all effort they spent to obtain their hard engineering education.
My Grandpa used to say ' .... Son, you can't teach stupid. '
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Old 01-22-2012, 12:54 PM
 
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From Wickipedia on Orson Welles: "the Time Traveller tests his device with a journey that takes him to 802,701 A.D., where he meets the Eloi, a society of small, elegant, childlike adults. They live in small communities within large and futuristic yet slowly deteriorating buildings, doing no work and having a frugivorous diet. His efforts to communicate with them are hampered by their lack of curiosity or discipline, and he speculates that they are a peaceful communist society, the result of humanity conquering nature with technology, and subsequently evolving to adapt to an environment in which strength and intellect are no longer advantageous to survival"
--Bay area???



"Later in the dark, he is approached menacingly by the Morlocks, ape-like troglodytes who live in darkness underground and surface only at night. Within their dwellings he discovers the machinery and industry that makes the above-ground paradise possible."
--the supporting labor, for now in China




Now this is from the US Department of Health, Education and Welfare "The Behavioral Science Teacher education program" report:


a. Description: "The use of the systems approach to problem solving and of cybernetics
to manage automation will remold the nation . They will increase efficiency
and depersonalization. Man's traditional slow speed in thinking through problems,
analyzing alternatives, testing and evaluating them, and implementing them will be
eliminated by computers and cybernetics . Only a few people will be able to have a
major role in the processes, and they will apply the remnants of the Protestant
Ethic. Most of the population will seek meaning through other means or devote
themselves to pleasure seeking. The controlling elite will engage in power plays
largely without the involvement of most of the people.

b . Consequences: The society will be leisurely one. People will study, play, and
travel ; some will be in various stages of the drug induced experiences."


a . Description: The range of communications capabilities will be increased significantly.
Each individual will receive at birth a multipurpose identification.
which will have, among other thangs, extensive communications uses. None will be
out of communication with those authorized to reach him. Each will be able to receive
instant updating of ideas and information on topics previously identified .
Routine jobs to be done in any setting can be initiated automatically, by those responsible
for the task; all will be in constant communication with their employers,
or other controllers, and thus exposed to direct and subliminal influence. Mass
media transmission will be instantaneous to wherever people'are in forms suited to
their particular needs and role.

B . Consequences : Each individual will be saturated with ideas and information .
Some will be self-selected; other kinds will be imposed overtly by those who assume
responsibility for others' actions (for example, employers); still other kinds will
be imposed covertly by various agencies, organizations and enterprises . Relatively
few individuals will be able to maintain control over their opinions. Most will be
pawns of competing opinion molders.



a. Description :.... Most people will tend to be hedonistic, and a dominant elite will provide
'bread and circuses' to keep social dissension and disruption at a minimum.

b . Consequences : A small elite will carry society's burdens. The resulting impersonal
manipulation of most people's life styles will be softened by provisions
for pleasure-seeking and guaranteed physical necessities. Participatory democracy
in the American-ideal mold will mainly disappear. The worth and dignity of individuals
will be endangered on every hand. Only exceptional individuals will be
able to maintain a sense of worth and dignity."

--rings the bell?
CA is a good test site. The report is dated 1970, I think--they knew well in advance, and I believe this is a general plan.

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Old 01-22-2012, 02:58 PM
 
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If you don't have family or some kind of life support system then you'll never make here or there. Most people don't realize the work and sacrifice one must have and do, in order to reach success over the long haul. And today's self obsessed generation is the worst bunch of hooligans I ever seen. A really sad deal we have in the good ol US of A. What we got now, is facebook, cell phone obsessed bunch of lazy fat slobs, we got now in Amerika. To any and all foreigners reading this, please pray for Amerika ... We need all the help we can get.
You're right about everything in CA and in Amerika, at this point...
"facebook, a cellphone obsessed bunch of lazy fat slobs"--see my post above... this description only matches their strategic plan, everything is going as planned Wait a little, much, much more is to come...
When the implementation matches the design, one knows they've been doing something right. Excellent social engineering, and great minds at work behind all this.
The elites mentioned in the report for US Dept of Health, Education and Welfare have 2 mutually-dependent goals:
1) Enslave as many people as possible. These people must be well-controlled.
2) Retain and increase wealth

The pattern you see in CA, and greater US, and many parts of the world is a part of well-engineered design, not a random self-regulating system.
Facebook and similar sites, cellphones are means of control. There were great intellectual resources put in to plan and achieve the situation that exists know.
Facebook attempts to run facial recognition on photos uploaded, smartphones get gps installed on them and can be used to track every one who uses it, all browsing info on the internet leads to "suggestions" (fabricated information for targets), building "safety" codes, etc. This is just a beginning of total control society. California is sort of a flagship here, as it is a center of development of human control technologies, and at the same times a test unit for new social order.

They admit themselves:
Description : The complexity of the society and
rapidity of change will require that conprehensive long-range planning become the
-rule.

b . Consequences : Long-range planning and implementation of plans will be made by
TECHNOLOGICAL-SCIENTIFIC ELITE. Political democracy, in the American ideological
sense will be limited to broad social policy: even there, issues, alternatives, a
means will be so complex that theelite will be influential to a degree which will
arouse the fear and animosity of others.

--and WHERE is technological-scientific elite located (good part of it), some of which are billionaires rivaling oil kings? the zip codes start with a 9

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Old 01-22-2012, 03:44 PM
 
Location: So California
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^^^^^
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Old 01-22-2012, 03:58 PM
 
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^^^^^
I know. Doesn't sound like the happy ambience from youtube, dvd, or the cable to keep the slaves content.
Seeing this post, one can almost excuse the social engineers on moral grounds, as ultimately, what's happening is... a free choice of Amerikan population.

Oh, by the way about the OP's post--doktors being paid 200K-600K is absolutely unfair... but of course, as the happy, cheerful waves from the tube persuade to buy chemical-laden supermarket fake food which will give you chronic diseases or buy air-polluting SUVs and air fresheners to help with everyone's health issues... 300K for a doktor might seem fair, as who'll save the poor masses?

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