Why do people hate California? (San Francisco, Sacramento: universities, gated, codes)

[MediaArtist]

Originally Posted by Kafkaesque

Supply is low, demand is high. Simple case of supply and demand at work.
Here's some of Elk Grove. A very nice looking 3/2 for 240k.
Elk Grove Real Estate & Elk Grove Homes For Sale — Trulia.com.
4br 3 bath for 209k.
Elk Grove Real Estate & Elk Grove Homes For Sale — Trulia.com.
4br 2.5 bath for 219k.
8725 Longwill Way, Elk Grove CA - Trulia
Amongst others
Median income in Elk Grove is 72,415 according to 2009 Citi-Data info.
//www.city-data.com/city/Elk-Grove-California.html
About 79k now according to an unnamed competitor website.

Ah, so we're going away from Auburn (since it totally destroys your point), and switching to Elk Grove?

Ok.

But before we start, you DO know that Elk Grove is located right next to Sacramento's most crime filled areas, right?

[BuffaloSpringfield]

Auburn is a good place to live. What's wrong with Auburn?
I bet he's discussing the relative affordability of different communities within the Sacramento
MES. That's what it looks like to me, anyway.
The relative scarcity of homes for sale in Sacramento MES is a topic of frequent discussion in
the Sacramento sub-forum, it's no surprise the price is higher than typically found nationwide.

[Kafkaesque]

Originally Posted by MediaArtist

Ah, so we're going away from Auburn (since it totally destroys your point), and switching to Elk Grove?

Ok.

But before we start, you DO know that Elk Grove is located right next to Sacramento's most crime filled areas, right?

Sir, this is not the crime thread. I was discussing your points you raised as to why people hate
CA. I believe the last point in contention has been addressed by BuffaloSpringfield, who has
shown that homes in the Sacramento Metro area are affordable on a national basis. Being
that people who make a median income can purchase homes at a higher rate than the national
average. Shall we recap, or do you acknowledge all your concerns initially stated have been
addressed? Vis a vis unfair generalizations about California?

I shall recap the discussion so it is clear what has been established. Your initial surmise:

Originally Posted by MediaArtist

There are valid reasons to dislike California; high housing prices, high taxes for small businesses, ultra green city ordinances (I miss plastic bags), freeway congestion, and just being crowded overall.

1. There is affordable housing available in CA as shown by BuffaloSpringfield above.
2. As shown by Oldtrader in another thread, taxes are not high everywhere in California.
3. Ultra-green city ordinances are not general to the state. Plastic is widely available.

4. Freeways are not congested throughout the entire state.
5. California is not crowded overall. Most of CA is not densely populated, as shown in this thread

Links available upon request.

[MediaArtist]

Originally Posted by Kafkaesque

There is affordable housing available in CA as shown by BuffaloSpringfield above.

I agree, if you live in the boonies, or next to meth labs. But what about places where I don't want to have a private security guard with me at all times?

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by MediaArtist

I agree, if you live in the boonies, or next to meth labs. But what about places where I don't want to have a private security guard with me at all times?

Ok, that's enough.

$125,000
Single family home, walk to schools, fenced yards, lawns, nice shade trees, parks and recreation, fishing ...
44 miles to Sacramento
62 miles to San Francisco
less than 50% national average for crime

621 Anderson Way, Rio Vista CA - Trulia

$125,000

... and no, this isn't the only one or the only such area in California.

[MediaArtist]

Originally Posted by nullgeo

Ok, that's enough.

$125,000
Single family home, walk to schools, fenced yards, lawns, nice shade trees, parks and recreation, fishing ...
44 miles to Sacramento
62 miles to San Francisco
less than 50% national average for crime

621 Anderson Way, Rio Vista CA - Trulia

$125,000

... and no, this isn't the only one or the only such area in California.

Yes, 62 miles to S.F, but with a real commute time of 1.5 to 2 hours one way. Have you ever been on highway 4?

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by MediaArtist

Yes, 62 miles to S.F, but with a real commute time of 1.5 to 2 hours one way. Have you ever been on highway 4?

Yes. Years and years of it. I didn't claim it was a short commute to San Francisco for daily work. You have been arguing and arguing and arguing that there is no affordable housing within reasonable reach of urban centers -- for work and for pleasure (like sporting and other entertainment events you don't go to daily -- you previously put a figure of 3 hours as being ridiculous for that -- how about an hour to hour and a half). That is patently not true.

I just provided you an example (of which there are many). It is readily commutable to Sacramento -- which is a major urban center for employment. It is entirely commutable to fringe Bay area communities of Antioch, Pittsburg, Concord, Walnut Creek. Even reasonably commutable to Richmond and Oakland and Berkeley. Now please tell us that there is no employment in any of those cities. No retail, finance, manufacturing, services, medical, educational, research, etc. Only downtown S.F.?

[MediaArtist]

Originally Posted by nullgeo

Yes. Years and years of it. I didn't claim it was a short commute to San Francisco for daily work. You have been arguing and arguing and arguing that there is no affordable housing within reasonable reach of urban centers -- for work and for pleasure

So you bring up Rio Vista to prove that it's possible? LOL

A 3-4 hour round trip commute to work is not reasonable. In fact it's what people call a "mega commute", seriously look it up, it's a real term now days. People who do it suffer greatly in their personal lives, not to mention their health. That's why homes in boonie places like Rio Vista are so cheap. Normal human beings don't want to sit in a car or subway train 3-4 hours a day just to get to and from work to come home to some 1,300 sqft crap shack that is being marketed towards "investors" aka "the inside of this house is so messed up, we won't even show pictures on the MLS!" Why don't you post the median list or sold prices in Rio Vista which are climbing over $200,000 dollars, and not some investor special crap shack? Oh right, because it sort of buries your point that paying $200,000+ to commute 3-4 hours to work is reasonable, when in reality it sucks ass.

[Kafkaesque]

Surprisingly enough it's possible to live in Rio Vista without the commute.
Rio Vista's unemployment rate is 10.6, worse than national average by 2 points. There are jobs available in Rio
Vista. Their average commute time there is 30 minutes
Obviously you are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.
I find your definition of boonies entirely subjective, and leave you with that.
Moderator cut: link removed, linking to competitor sites is not allowed

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by MediaArtist

So you bring up Rio Vista to prove that it's possible? LOL

A 3-4 hour round trip commute to work is not reasonable. In fact it's what people call a "mega commute", seriously look it up, it's a real term now days. People who do it suffer greatly in their personal lives, not to mention their health. That's why homes in boonie places like Rio Vista are so cheap. Normal human beings don't want to sit in a car or subway train 3-4 hours a day just to get to and from work to come home to some 1,300 sqft crap shack that is being marketed towards "investors" aka "the inside of this house is so messed up, we won't even show pictures on the MLS!" Why don't you post the median list or sold prices in Rio Vista which are climbing over $200,000 dollars, and not some investor special crap shack? Oh right, because it sort of buries your point that paying $200,000+ to commute 3-4 hours to work is reasonable, when in reality it sucks ass.

Now you are being speciously selective -- and nasty in your response. As I wrote, Rio Vista is not a 3 - 4 hour commute from many cities in the Bay area and Sacramento. Nor is that house an investor crap shack. And neither are a half dozen others in that town under $150K ... I did not list the foreclosures which start in the $50K range. I did list the many cities within commute where people work in all kinds of professions.

I and Kafkaesque have addressed every one of the issues you have been raising about work and entertainment venues, public safety and crime and traffic congestion.