California wants to push more welfare recipients to work (salary, cost of living)

[Huckleberry3911948]

WTW TANF already put 2/3 of the people to work. 2/3 of cases closed here.
phenomenal. now u must accept that those left do not want to work and u cant make them.
u got people that dont wana learn in the schools u got people that dont wana work in WTW.
its not an individual hang up, its a culture of disrespect and anti work and anti education.
it will change when the community thinks its a problem and not b4.

[malamute]

Originally Posted by nullgeo

Oh go back and educate yourself as to what these "entitlements" provide ... once you learn something about the system and its "benefits" then come back and explain how those "benefits" are attractive lifestyle choices.

Ignorance "entitles" anyone to blather nonsense without factual foundation.

The welfare life in the USA is extremely attractive -- especially to those from foreign countries where the minimum daily wage is $4 a day and in order to just survive, one must work hard for a living. Come here, give birth and next to what you'd have back home, you feel like a king or queen.

Welfare families here don't live in 200 sq foot houses, don't have to get out in the morning and find work, figure out how to buy meals or clothes. Everything is handed to them so easily here. Free housing, utilities are paid, including air conditioning which would have been unheard of back home. The welfare life here is very appealing compared to life in a certain other countries.

[malamute]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry3911948

WTW TANF already put 2/3 of the people to work. 2/3 of cases closed here.
phenomenal. now u must accept that those left do not want to work and u cant make them.
u got people that dont wana learn in the schools u got people that dont wana work in WTW.
its not an individual hang up, its a culture of disrespect and anti work and anti education.
it will change when the community thinks its a problem and not b4.

What I think they need to do is end welfare as we know it -- and that includes all the many welfare handout programs.

Build poor houses with separate bedrooms but common eating areas and play areas for the kids. Since schools have already been turned into year round feeding stations, just expand that program, everyone will have nutritious enough food to eat. Or like someone in some forum suggested, just supply tubes of a nutritious but tasteless paste so that nutritional needs are met.

End all the duplication of welfare programs -- we don't need all the free food at schools plus food stamps plus WIC -- combine them into the most efficient programs that best reaches the kids. Too much of the food stamps end up going to feed mom's latest live in boyfriend and parties that may not even include the kids.

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by malamute

People here illegally should be arrested and deported when they show up to claim their welfare handouts like food stamps. If you cannot make it in this country, then it's time to go home.

And 2 years of handouts just for giving birth to a child you can't afford? Why? A working woman might get 6 weeks maternity leave, why should a welfare recipient have a whole 2 years paid vacation?

I can see giving them up to 3 months to find a babysitter and get back to work. The sooner they get back to work, the better they will do in the long run, 2 years is too long of a gap.

What makes you think that two years of pitiful, less than subsistence level, TANF assistance equates to "a whole 2 years paid vacation?"

Your persistent ignorance of the subjects you post about is astounding. Your refusal to learn anything about the truth of the programs and people you whine about is willful. There are numerous links I have provided in several threads dealing with welfare. You show up in the threads -- you see the links refuting your positions with facts -- you refuse to read.

By the way: you know that cheating on taxes costs government and taxpayers exponentially greater amounts of money than welfare fraud and abuse? How are your tax returns?

[malamute]

Originally Posted by nullgeo

What makes you think that two years of pitiful, less than subsistence level, TANF assistance equates to "a whole 2 years paid vacation?"

Your persistent ignorance of the subjects you post about is astounding. Your refusal to learn anything about the truth of the programs and people you whine about is willful. There are numerous links I have provided in several threads dealing with welfare. You show up in the threads -- you see the links refuting your positions with facts -- you refuse to read.

By the way: you know that cheating on taxes costs government and taxpayers exponentially greater amounts of money than welfare fraud and abuse? How are your tax returns?

Do you know what TANF is?

Its free money from the government - IN ADDITION to free housing, free utilities, food stamps, WIC, etc.

Now why would anyone need free cash for two years just for having babies they cannot afford and not wanting to work?

And welfare recipients do not pay any income taxes -- talk about tax evasion!! Not only fail to pay their fair share of taxes but actually get the money of those who do pay taxes.

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by malamute

Do you know what TANF is?

Its free money from the government - IN ADDITION to free housing, free utilities, food stamps, WIC, etc.

Now why would anyone need free cash for two years just for having babies they cannot afford and not wanting to work?

And welfare recipients do not pay any income taxes -- talk about tax evasion!! Not only fail to pay their fair share of taxes but actually get the money of those who do pay taxes.

As I just wrote: your ignorance of the subjects is astounding. You have read my posts (you quote them). You see I know a great deal about TANF and welfare. You see I write knowledgeably and provide statistics, explanations, links to verifications. You ignore facts and write hyperbolic, stereotying rhetoric you hear from conservative talk radio I guess.

How about another little factoid for you: many adult welfare recipients DO work ... they just don't earn enough to support themselves and their children.
"Six out of 10 adults receiving welfare in 2002 had engaged in some work activity during the past 12 months (figure 1). Total work activity in 1999 and 2002 was significantly higher than in 1997, when federal reforms were just rolling out in the states, mostly because paid work increased. The proportion of recipients working either currently or in the past year rose from 31.1 percent in 1997 to 43.8 percent in 1999 and then fell to 39.2 percent in 2002.1"

Work Activities of Current Welfare Recipients

The reason they don't pay taxes is because they don't earn enough to reach the lowest requirement brackets. And if you mean to complain that they don't pay taxes on their temporary TANF income, why would they? It's not enough income to require taxation and it would amount to just giving back the assistance they require to survive.

[Howest2008]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry3911948

WTW TANF already put 2/3 of the people to work. 2/3 of cases closed here.

Originally Posted by Huckleberry3911948

phenomenal. now u must accept that those left do not want to work and u cant make them.
u got people that dont wana learn in the schools u got people that dont wana work in WTW.
its not an individual hang up, its a culture of disrespect and anti work and anti education.
it will change when the community thinks its a problem and not b4.

simple but not true a lot of those people you speak of weren't offered a job....(!!) if the us goverment would place the other 1/3 into national service or local community service all of the ( " inner cities wouldn't be falling apart as they are now ")....no trash and garbage on the streets and broken street lights.,,,

[user_id]

Originally Posted by malamute

People here illegally should be arrested and deported when they show up to claim their welfare handouts like food stamps. If you cannot make it in this country, then it's time to go home.

Illegal immigrants can't get food-stamps.

Originally Posted by malamute

And 2 years of handouts just for giving birth to a child you can't afford? Why?

Because the child had nothing to do with the mothers bad choice.

I always like the underlying assumption in these posts though, apparently there is tons of decent paying jobs out there and the issue is that these poor folks are just too lazy to apply for them or even do the work.

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by user_id

Illegal immigrants can't get food-stamps.


Because the child had nothing to do with the mothers bad choice.

I always like the underlying assumption in these posts though, apparently there is tons of decent paying jobs out there and the issue is that these poor folks are just too lazy to apply for them or even do the work.

Sure. The math is a snap: 12.7 million out of work and 3.5 million job openings.

[Huckleberry3911948]

Originally Posted by Howest2008

simple but not true a lot of those people you speak of weren't offered a job....(!!) if the us goverment would place the other 1/3 into national service or local community service all of the ( " inner cities wouldn't be falling apart as they are now ")....no trash and garbage on the streets and broken street lights.,,,

offer u a job. ??? its hard to offer u a job when you are calliing me names and yelling at me across the desk. get your feet off my desk and maybe we can talk about it? pull your pants up and put your 9mm down and you will move closer to employment. employment is 85% attitude, not your EEOC rights. when u can pass a GED instead of suing k12 for a useless fake high school diploma, then your employment prospects will get better. the US Army is offering u a job right here right now.
but will u apply??? that is the question.