07-05-2012, 07:07 AM
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Just so we are on record. The liberals on here now consider social security,veterans programs and medicare to be welfare.
07-05-2012, 07:14 AM
Location: SW MO
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Just so we are on record. The liberals on here now consider social security,veterans programs and medicare to be welfare.
Well if that's the case I have cause to rejoice since the liberals love to expand the benefits of welfare. As a veteran drawing Social Security and on Medicare all I can say is, "Break out the champers!"
07-05-2012, 07:36 AM
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Just so we are on record. The liberals on here now consider social security,veterans programs and medicare to be welfare.
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Well if that's the case I have cause to rejoice since the liberals love to expand the benefits of welfare. As a veteran drawing Social Security and on Medicare all I can say is, "Break out the champers!"
Yes. What else would you call those programs? They are social insurance to serve the welfare of defined segments of society.
wel·fare /ˈwelˌfe(ə)r/
Noun:
The health, happiness, and fortunes of a person or group.
Statutory procedure or social effort designed to promote the basic physical and material well-being of people in need.
I receive benefits from SS and the VA as compensation for multiple permanently disabling damages sustained on multiple occasions in combat service on behalf of the government. What I receive is vastly greater than my cash investment over the years. Did you have an option to pay into my VA compensation / insurance? Uh, no. My welfare was forced on you. And, seeing how as G.W. Bush and Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz and cadre all take checks for their "service" to the nation -- I don't feel a bit bad about taking mine. But then, I don't mind sacrificing myself to live in a society that benefits all members -- even whiners who don't think they should have to share the costs of living in a free society that promotes life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
07-05-2012, 07:42 AM
Location: Quimper Peninsula
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Medicare and SS are socialist programs is the point... Don't you conservative oppose all socialist programs? Or just the ones you personally do not benefit from?
On natural resource extraction and the crash of logging.... If one needs to place blame, it should be
on the corporations that were harvesting in non sustainable methods!!!!! One should thank the "environmentalists" for stopping them. Know we can have tourism, recreation AND logging with quality management practices so we can have a logging industry that lasts for the long haul. Which is better than the Lemming like behaviour of the past. Boom and bust practices only bennifit the corporation that raped the land and ran.. Local residents get temporary work, and have to deal with the collapsed economy and the cleanup.
07-05-2012, 08:08 AM
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Medicare and SS are socialist programs is the point... Don't you conservative oppose all socialist programs? Or just the ones you personally do not benefit from?
On natural resource extraction and the crash of logging.... If one needs to place blame, it should be
on the corporations that were harvesting in non sustainable methods!!!!! One should thank the "environmentalists" for stopping them. Know we can have tourism, recreation AND logging with quality management practices so we can have a logging industry that lasts for the long haul. Which is better than the Lemming like behaviour of the past. Boom and bust practices only bennifit the corporation that raped the land and ran.. Local residents get temporary work, and have to deal with the collapsed economy and the cleanup.
People have planned their lives around social security and to a lesser degree medicare. They didn't create the program,yet have to pay into it. Personally I would like to see more choice in both programs. It is your side who opposes any even modest. Still,it is idiotic to compare programs you pay into,like social security,to people who never worked collecting welfare and food stamps. Not even mentioning veterans programs.
07-05-2012, 08:19 AM
Location: San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties
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Just so we are on record. The liberals on here now consider social security,veterans programs and medicare to be welfare.
Why yes, they are, go back and read the Conservative arguments against SS back in the 1930's.
Now, I use the VA for my medical care with the full understanding that all Americans chip in to take care of me.
It is indeed a government, socialist, welfare handout. All of us Vets who use the VA benefit from these socialist. programs.
Anyone who considers Social Security anything more than beer money made some really bad career decisions.
07-05-2012, 08:24 AM
Location: San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties
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I usually don't respond to these types of threads, but I find the condescending nature of the comments offered above to be shameful and arrogant.
The northern part of the state used to have a thriving resource extraction economy based on mining, logging, and to a lesser extent agriculture which kept its blue collar labor force gainfully employed. However, over the past 50 years political representatives from the coastal areas have regulated and taxed these industries into oblivion in a 20th Century version of an Environmentalist Enclosure movement. The coastal elites destroyed the North State's economic base and now these same elites make snide remarks because a larger than typical portion of the residual population has been forced onto economic assistance. Then to maintain some kind of economic base, these counties have taken in your social detritus by hosting prisons to house your hoodlums and absorb unemployable parolees from the coast who otherwise couldn't have survived in expensive urban areas. All of these things have contributed to the outsized public assistance numbers you now see reported from these rural northern counties.
Oh, as for the one resource that is still being extracted from the area, water, its fair market value isn't paid to the local counties. It goes to the federal and state governments with no mechanism for the local population to ever reclaim ownership or to renegotiate the terms of trade. There's a word for these kinds of arrangements, it's called economic imperialism, and you people of California's coastal cities, are the Imperialists.
Through brute political force, you have stripped the people of the North State of their livelihoods, driven them off the land, and now mock them for their poverty. So don your pith helmets, swing your fly swatters and keep snickering at the lazy natives.
This is basically, weird propaganda. Look, the lumber mill in our town closed, not because of those coastal elite envros but because the trees were gone, yep, the mill was built to mill big timber. It all got cut down. nothing but doghair pencil thickets today. That scenario exists throughout north California. Problem with a finite resource, it is finite.
Look at what Milliken did with Pacific Redwood to pay off his Junk bond debts, Pacific Redwood had been manage for sustained yield. He bought it and multiplied the cut by huge amounts, and desecrated many of the last privately owned Redwood stands.
07-05-2012, 08:26 AM
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People have planned their lives around social security and to a lesser degree medicare. They didn't create the program,yet have to pay into it. Personally I would like to see more choice in both programs. It is your side who opposes any even modest. Still,it is idiotic to compare programs you pay into,like social security,to people who never worked collecting welfare and food stamps. Not even mentioning veterans programs.
Why not "mentioning veteran's programs"?
And what are your sources and definitions for: "people who never worked collecting welfare and food stamps"? Seriously. I am interested to know on what you base your assumptions.
Do you know the percentage of people who receive the different kinds of welfare?
Do you know who the people are that receive welfare assistance?
Do you even know what the different forms of welfare are?
For example: TANF is the name of the only cash welfare program in the nation/state -- except for the disabled.
Most TANF recipients are children. Do you think they should have worked before collecting?
The number of adults receiving TANF cash assistance in the U.S. is less than 1/2 of 1% of the adult population -- and many, if not most, DID work at some point prior to qualifying for TANF.
Furthermore, 15% of households receiving TANF do have at least one working adult -- they just don't earn enough to rise above federal poverty standards.
And most of those adults not working but receiving TANF are mothers of TANF children.
And, TANF support is restricted to anywhere from 24 - 60 months total.
Most adults on TANF are also enrolled in training programs to help them find work when the TANF runs out and they still have kids to support.
Did you know ANY of that before you stereotyped the welfare recipients?
Learn the categories of welfare before you post.
Learn who is really in those welfare programs.
Yes. There are cheaters. They amount to fractions of fractions of a fraction of a percent.
07-05-2012, 08:31 AM
Location: Orange County, CA
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That was a performance worthy of an Academy Award for drama.
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I'd also award one for best make-up.
Nope, wrong catagory. Best documentary more like it. Right on target, one of the best brief explanations of the situation I have ever seen.
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Can you cite any references regarding the "people from the coast" stripping away the rights for mining and forestry?
Follow the link given in post #7 and spend an hour or so on the site.
07-05-2012, 08:38 AM
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Why yes, they are, go back and read the Conservative arguments against SS back in the 1930's.
Now, I use the VA for my medical care with the full understanding that all Americans chip in to take care of me.
It is indeed a government, socialist, welfare handout. All of us Vets who use the VA benefit from these socialist. programs.
Anyone who considers Social Security anything more than beer money made some really bad career decisions.
Why would we go back and argue something that has been a law since 1935? Seems pretty futile. Besides I find it quite irresponsible to drastically take something away from people who planned their life around social security and medicare being there. Maybe they shouldn't ahve but they did. To compare getting social security to a direct welfare payment,wow you are either an extreme libertarian or disingenous.
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Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)