Recall Jerry Brown? (Los Angeles, San Francisco: apartment, renters, buying)

[Ruth4Truth]

Originally Posted by Matadora

Given Brown's non-existent pension reform, retiree health care reform, or doing anything to stop illegal immigration, it's really no surprise to people paying attention that he has turned out to be completely ineffective regarding the drought.

CA has a water storage and refining problem that has been completely ignored by Brown.

Isn't illegal immigration a federal issue? There's not much any state can do. What has Texas ever done to stop illegal immigration? Nothing.

[Dangerous-Boy]

Originally Posted by Des-Lab

His stunt with the water last week....most people see that for what it is and I just don't see his wish that working and middle class families having to carry everyone else ("We need you to make cuts, but these calls for sacrifice don't apply to me or any of my certain hand picked cronies") lasting very long. Already it seems like a bit of a backlash is beginning to brew.

So my question is: Could his call to executive order last week have possibly been the catalyst that sets in motion a series of machinations that will culminate in him being recalled (read: forcibly removed) from office?

This soap opera is starting to replay an awful lot like Gray Davis, who as you may remember, was removed from office. Basically it was because of the rolling blackouts and fleecing us with electricity rates back in 2000-2002. Now I realize that not all of that was his fault, but the buck has to stop somewhere. And it's usually at the governors desk. The straw that broke the camels back of course was his proposal to triple auto registration rates, which in a car centric state like CA, turned out to be political suicide.

When a solidly Blue State such as CA can and did remove a sitting Democratic governor, it's best to take heed. And I don't think that Gov Brown has learned from history. He's getting more bold, more brazen, and more dictatorial. And I really think that many folks are starting to say "enough is enough". Davis had the electricity as the proverbial cake of C4 strapped to his chest, with the license fees being the match and fuse. And now we have Brown with HSR and now telling everyone that they have to kill their lawns and can't wash their driveways while certain others get a free pass.

What say you?

And please....this has nothing to do with "the value of farmers", "growing lawns in the desert", or "overpopulation", all of which are completely separate issues and all are being done to death in other discussions. So please try not to thread crap this by interjecting those thoughts.


My question is one of public perception, image, and the mood of the electorate at the moment.

Well, the rest of the the US and the world depend on California for food. I want those farmers to get water and I want High speed rail. Less cars on the road is a good thing.

You don't need a lawn. Stop watering it.

[Ruth4Truth]

Originally Posted by Dangerous-Boy

Well, the rest of the the US and the world depend on California for food. I want those farmers to get water and I want High speed rail. Less cars on the road is a good thing.

You don't need a lawn. Stop watering it.

True. In the neighborhood where my parents live in Berkeley, no one has a front lawn. Several lots cover what would be a front lawn area with ivy, others have trees and other landscaping. In SoCal they can do like Arizona does, and have rocks and colored gravel arrangements with a few xeriscaping plants. Landscapers should get on that bandwagon. Greywater systems could be installed for garden use, and flushing, too. If the state budget could afford it, the state could provide incentives for greywater systems conversion.

[Matadora]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

Isn't illegal immigration a federal issue? There's not much any state can do. What has Texas ever done to stop illegal immigration? Nothing.

Of course but when the Federal Government is sitting idle not dealing with this issue the boarder states must step up to deal with this serious issue.

Yes has done something: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/11/us...-in-texas.html

On February 16, 2015, Judge Andrew Hanen of the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Texas, in Brownsville, temporarily halted Obama’s executive action, which would expand the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) to include qualified relatives

On March 12, the Obama administration asked the Fifth Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals to lift the injunction issued by Hanen.

Texas and 25 other have joined the lawsuit against Obama’s immigration executive actions, according to Pew Research Center. The other states are Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, West Virginia, and Wisconsin.

[Ruth4Truth]

The problem with the child refugee issue is that there are humanitarian reasons for letting the kids in. And who wouldn't want them to make that dangerous journey accompanied by an adult relative? But that creates a potential loophole. However, the child refugee issue is only relevant to a couple of Central American nations, as I understand it. It's not so much an issue for Mexico or anyplace south of Honduras. So it would be easy to screen for people coming from outside the relevant areas taking advantage of the system.

[Matadora]

The thing that I don't understand is why CA is allowed to keep the groundwater supply records secret from public view.

The Public Eye: As drought persists, frustration mounts over secrecy of California

Inside a government warehouse along a noisy freeway in West Sacramento is a set of metal shelves holding more than 100 carefully labeled cardboard boxes.

Inside those boxes are tens of thousands of state records that could help scientists and water policy specialists better understand and protect California groundwater

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...hidden-crisis/

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

The problem with the child refugee issue is that there are humanitarian reasons for letting the kids in. And who wouldn't want them to make that dangerous journey accompanied by an adult relative? But that creates a potential loophole. However, the child refugee issue is only relevant to a couple of Central American nations, as I understand it. It's not so much an issue for Mexico or anyplace south of Honduras. So it would be easy to screen for people coming from outside the relevant areas taking advantage of the system.

And by doing it the Gov't is actually supportinbg the smugglers who abuse the people they bring north and take as much money from them as they can. So lets help the criminals so they have more incentive to smuggle others in too. That is sure humanitarian isn't it. Just ask a lot of the poor women and young girls raped on the trip.

[Des-Lab]

Originally Posted by Dangerous-Boy

Well, the rest of the the US and the world depend on California for food. I want those farmers to get water and I want High speed rail. Less cars on the road is a good thing.

You don't need a lawn. Stop watering it.

I agree. We don't need more cars on the road. To wit, we don't need ANY MORE PEOPLE either.

Where does this knee jerk reactive absurdity end? First it's the lawns. Then the swimming pools. What's next? Dictating when and for how long we can bathe? It needs to end somewhere. And I'm sure as hell not about to "do my part" and endure that hardship while at the same time, a hundred thousand new homes are being built and a million more people a year are coming in. I'm sorry, but that's BS. And I know I'm not alone with that sentiment. The outrage here should be that there are people out there-of which you appear to be one of-that wants to have it both ways.

We have no business effectively holding the existing population at gunpoint telling them "cut back or else" while at the same time rolling out the welcome mat for even more straws into the glass. We can't even manage what's here much less an infinite additional influx. If this situation is as dire as Brown wants us to think it is, then straight across the board, ALL new residential construction needs to be immediately shut down and an indefinite moratorium on all new residents imposed. And not "no more" once they are built, but an immediate cease-and-desist regardless of how far along the construction is. If we have to take a haircut, then the developers need to take one too.

[Matadora]

I wonder if the groundwater records that are being kept secret from public view is to hide the enormous amount of water that fracking consumes here in CA?

Oil, Gas and Fracking in California | Clean Water Action

[dexter14]

Originally Posted by CamaroGuy

He as to scrap the bullet train and put the money towards desalination plants!

This is another area you can thank the liberals and environmentalists who have ruined this state. They have been opposing and fighting the building of desalination plants for decades and fighting the building of pipelines because of little fish called Smelt.