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Old 10-01-2016, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Laguna Niguel, Orange County CA
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That is what you did, have been doing this entire thread, and is your style along with many other tacky OCers. Bragging about the price of things is a hallmark of the vapid, shallow culture so widespread in OC. Housing prices are pretty irrelevant since the OP never asked or said anything about them.
Housing prices are always relevant to any comparison of areas.
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Old 10-01-2016, 07:36 PM
 
Location: where the good looking people are
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Ladies and kiddies, let's stop with the childish arguing and get back to fact based analysis please.

OC is nearly 5X the population density of SD county, it is not remotely comparable. OC has a larger GDP, higher per capita incomes, higher median family incomes, and a lower violent crime rate. It has better shopping, better sports venues, better economy, less industrial beach front, fewer homeless, and a much better crowd of people/demographics.

The notion that the 1.5 square mile that is Downtown SD some how elevates the region is laughable. DTSD job centers are dominated by government/retail jobs. Entertainment centers cater exclusively to out-of-state conventioneers and Navy drunkards. This is the result of SD's economy revolving around tourism and government spending (military).

OC by contrast has vibrant downtowns and beachfronts that cater to LOCALS. The people and economy of OC are simply much more interesting and dynamic. SD is what Sacramento would look like if you plopped it next to the ocean.I have lived in LA/SD counties and have worked in LA, OC, and SD counties.

If anyone puts up a fake facade, to put on airs for tourists, it is SD out of the 3. Queen Mary front, Mary Jane back, that's SD County in a nutshell.

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Old 10-01-2016, 08:02 PM
 
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Ladies and kiddies, let's stop with the childish arguing and get back to fact based analysis please.

OC is nearly 5X the population density of SD county, it is not remotely comparable. OC has a larger GDP, higher per capita incomes, higher median family incomes, and a lower violent crime rate. It has better shopping, better sports venues, better economy, less industrial beach front, fewer homeless, and a much better crowd of people/demographics.

The notion that the 1.5 square mile that is Downtown SD some how elevates the region is laughable. DTSD job centers are dominated by government/retail jobs. Entertainment centers cater exclusively to out-of-state conventioneers and Navy drunkards. This is the result of SD's economy revolving around tourism and government spending (military).

OC by contrast has vibrant downtowns and beachfronts that cater to LOCALS. The people and economy of OC are simply much more interesting and dynamic. SD is what Sacramento would look like if you plopped it next to the ocean.I have lived in LA/SD counties and have worked in LA, OC, and SD counties.

If anyone puts up a fake facade, to put on airs for tourists, it is SD out of the 3. Queen Mary front, Mary Jane back, that's SD County in a nutshell.
OC has more gangs than Alameda County let alone SD County. Only LA and San Bernardino counties have more gangs than OC in California. OC's violent crime rate is higher than SD's. SD county has the only good economy in SoCal. How does OC have a better crowd of people/demographics than SD?
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Old 10-01-2016, 08:33 PM
 
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OC has more gangs than Alameda County let alone SD County. Only LA and San Bernardino counties have more gangs than OC in California. OC's violent crime rate is higher than SD's. SD county has the only good economy in SoCal. How does OC have a better crowd of people/demographics than SD?
LOL no. OC had just over 6000 violent crimes in 2014, for example. SD county had over 10,000, by contrast. If SD county has a better economy, why does OC have higher per capita incomes, higher median family incomes, and a larger GDP? All while having a slightly smaller population than SD county. I don't think there is a single metric on earth to make the argument that SD has a better economy than OC.

As far as better people, that is clear. OC has some gritty areas, with some lowlifes. But no where near the level of prolific ghettos like Southeast SD, SD's ugly little secret. OC also lacks the meth head, rednecky, motocross suburbs like Lakeside, Fallbrook, Ramona, Escondido, and Vista. OC also lacks the "Hill Folk" communities that you find in deep East SD County.

Throw in the drunk Navy folks looking for fights, bros, and transplants from the rustbelt/cornbelt/plantation belt and it is game, set, match. OC has much better people/demographics.
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Old 10-01-2016, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Laguna Niguel, Orange County CA
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OC has more gangs than Alameda County let alone SD County. Only LA and San Bernardino counties have more gangs than OC in California. OC's violent crime rate is higher than SD's. SD county has the only good economy in SoCal. How does OC have a better crowd of people/demographics than SD?
Gangs
I don't see anything that bolsters your contention here. In fact, I see OC as having the lowest.


Crime rates

County.............Population...Density.....Violen t crimes...Violent crime rate
Alameda..........1,559,308...2,109.8.... 10,356..............6.6
Los Angeles......9,974,203.. 2,457.9.....42,725..............4.3
Orange............3,086,331..3,903.6......6,257... ............2.0
San Bernardino.2,078,586.. 103.6........8,281...............4.0
San Diego........3,183,143.. 756.7.......10,585..............3.3

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Economy

Why the O.C. economy outperforms most others - The Orange County Register

Unemployment rates
Orange County 4.4%
San Diego County 5.0%

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Old 10-01-2016, 08:57 PM
 
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Gangs
I don't see anything that bolsters your contention here. In fact, I see OC as having the lowest.
That map is EXTREMELY inaccurate with regard to L.A. and to the Bay Area. I wouldn't place too much faith in it. I noticed the errors in it right away.

The CalGang Database puts OC as #3 behind LA and San Bernardino. Some of the smaller counties have no gangs. Of the large counties, the one with the fewest gangs in San Francisco, not OC.
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Old 10-01-2016, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Laguna Niguel, Orange County CA
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That map is EXTREMELY inaccurate with regard to L.A. and to the Bay Area. I wouldn't place too much faith in it. I noticed the errors in it right away.

The CalGang Database puts OC as #3 behind LA and San Bernardino. Some of the smaller counties have no gangs. Of the large counties, the one with the fewest gangs in San Francisco, not OC.
Calgang database is garbage.
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Old 10-01-2016, 09:23 PM
 
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So, the Santa Ana PD have been cavalierly adding names without oversight?

Note that no department in San Diego County was involved.

And that map - which shows both San Francisco and Oakland as gang-free, and shows some nonexistent gangs as having territory in L.A. while completely missing a lot of L.A. gangs - is like something from an alternate reality.
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Old 10-01-2016, 09:36 PM
 
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Gang data bases are notoriously subjective and not accurate. At the end of the day the violent crime rate of OC is way lower than SD County.

I've seen OC accused of a lot of things, but a high crime gangland is not one of them. That is pretty off the rails far out, even for City Data.
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Old 10-01-2016, 09:47 PM
 
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Gang data bases are notoriously subjective and not accurate. At the end of the day the violent crime rate of OC is way lower than SD County.

I've seen OC accused of a lot of things, but a high crime gangland is not one of them. That is pretty off the rails far out, even for City Data.
If you read the OC forum, some people claim Prop 47 made it into one.
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