20% tip is too generous for CA's minimum wage waitstaff (Industry: live, restaurant)

[Mister 7]

Originally Posted by MidtownSacto

For example, do you use the same tipping scale for waitstaff in Washington State who make $9.47 an hour compared to waitstaff in New Jersey who make $2.13 an hour?

I, personally, do. Said $9.47 is not what's gonna end up on your hourly stub. You're taxed like crazy on your CC tips, etc.

I worked back east for $2.13 and I think got a ($15) paycheck ONCE.

Servers depend on TIPS to feed their kids, not hourly.

If you can't afford 20% (for good service, for the sake of argument), don't go out to eat.

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by AJT123

I, personally, do. Said $9.47 is not what's gonna end up on your hourly stub. You're taxed like crazy on your CC tips, etc.

I worked back east for $2.13 and I think got a ($15) paycheck ONCE.

Servers depend on TIPS to feed their kids, not hourly.

If you can't afford 20% (for good service, for the sake of argument), don't go out to eat.

In some cities in ca severs are getting 10-15 an hour plus tips.

Like I said, I adjust my tips according to minimum wage for the city I am eating in.

[Mister 7]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

In some cities in ca severs are getting 10-15 an hour plus tips.

Like I said, I adjust my tips according to minimum wage for the city I am eating in.

Certainly your prerogative, but I would advise AGAINST going back to any restaurant where you stiff, or leave a terrible tip.

Don't take my advice, go back and get recognized, (or worst case, have the same server) and I guarantee something awful will be done to your food/drinks, or at best, you'll receive terrible service.

People don't understand that servers hold lots of power over the arseholes (not calling you that, just in general) they have to deal with in this grueling job.

We remember faces, for sure, AND HANDLE PERSONALLY WHAT'S GOING INTO YOUR MOUTH!!!

Stiff me when I did my job very well, then come back next time, and I'll make sure your food is, .... wait, I'll just end it right there. ::Hocks Lougie::

Trust us servers here. (No longer in the business, but was for many years.)

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by AJT123

Certainly your prerogative, but I would advise AGAINST going back to any restaurant where you stiff, or leave a terrible tip.

Don't take my advice, go back and get recognized, (or worst case, have the same server) and I guarantee something awful will be done to your food/drinks, or at best, you'll receive terrible service.

People don't understand that servers hold lots of power over the arseholes (not calling you that, just in general) they have to deal with in this grueling job.

We remember faces, for sure, AND HANDLE PERSONALLY WHAT'S GOING INTO YOUR MOUTH!!!

Stiff me when I did my job very well, then come back next time, and I'll make sure your food is, .... wait, I'll just end it right there. ::Hocks Lougie::

Trust us servers here. (No longer in the business, but was for many years.)

I waited on tables to get me through college.

It is unfortunate if someone cannot see the connection between a reduced tip rape with an increase of minimum wage.

The money is going to them just like it did before, just now it goes through the employers and then to the sever.

[Mister 7]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

I waited on tables to get me through college.

It is unfortunate if someone cannot see the connection between a reduced tip rape with an increase of minimum wage.

The money is going to them just like it did before, just now it goes through the employers and then to the sever.

It is also unfortunate that someone cannot see the connection between residing where you can live a comfortable life on 35k a year (assuming no debt, tons of kids, etc), vs living somewhere like here for 100k for the same life (probably not as comfortable, honestly, IMO). There's a reason there is an increase in hourly.

Said extra $7/hr is going to (help) offset the extra cost of living in crazy ridiculous prices, like here, even though he/she won't see much of it because your CC tips are taxed on the hourly.

I'm surprised you ever waited tables.

And I don't think you're the one who said this, but whomever compared serving in a restaurant to flipping burgers (while they're busy) at McDonald's is crazy.

I don't even know where to start with that one.

Imagine getting quadruple sat, two tables of them 8-10 tops, all the while checking on your other tables and making sure they are receiving perfect service, their change back promptly (all from separate checks), etc., just to hurry up and greet, get drinks, get apps in, etc etc for the next 20-25 people who just got sat in your section within 3 minutes of each other.

Comparing that to a busy day at Burger King, behind the counter, where you don't have to interact with anyone, flipping pre-made burgers is a NIGHT AND DAY DIFFERENCE.

[slo1318]

Originally Posted by AJT123

Certainly your prerogative, but I would advise AGAINST going back to any restaurant where you stiff, or leave a terrible tip.

Don't take my advice, go back and get recognized, (or worst case, have the same server) and I guarantee something awful will be done to your food/drinks, or at best, you'll receive terrible service.

People don't understand that servers hold lots of power over the arseholes (not calling you that, just in general) they have to deal with in this grueling job.

We remember faces, for sure, AND HANDLE PERSONALLY WHAT'S GOING INTO YOUR MOUTH!!!

Stiff me when I did my job very well, then come back next time, and I'll make sure your food is, .... wait, I'll just end it right there. ::Hocks Lougie::

Trust us servers here. (No longer in the business, but was for many years.)

Thats utter BS. You have no business being in the service industry. You dont deserve anything, you earn it by providing great service to all you customers. Tips do not start at 20%, thats crazy.

[Mister 7]

Originally Posted by slo1318

Thats utter BS. You have no business being in the service industry. You dont deserve anything, you earn it by providing great service to all you customers. Tips do not start at 20%, thats crazy.

What, do you think I just greeted my tables with a "FU", slammed their plates down and then kicked them out the door?

I may not have said it outright (though I inferred it and thought I did say it), but 20% is a standard tip for good service.

I'm not good at my job and have no business being in the service industry?

Ok, my last serving job was at a fine-dining place at my hometown. Easily one of the top 3 restaurants there.

WITHIN 5 DAYS ON THE FLOOR, I was promoted to Closer, FOH Trainer, Headwaiter, Bartender, and handled most of the banquets. Man, the other employees hated me at first. Lol.

I was even offered a management position a few months later, but turned it down bc restaurant management is hell on earth, IMO.

But I have no business doing any of that. Ok, thanks for that pearl of wisdom.

Let me ask you a question? What % does a tip start at in your opinion?

[slo1318]

Originally Posted by AJT123

What, do you think I just greeted my tables with a "FU", slammed their plates down and then kicked them out the door?

I may not have said it outright (though I inferred it and thought I did say it), but 20% is a standard tip for good service.

I'm not good at my job and have no business being in the service industry?

Ok, my last serving job was at a fine-dining place at my hometown. Easily one of the top 3 restaurants there.

WITHIN 5 DAYS ON THE FLOOR, I was promoted to Closer, FOH Trainer, Headwaiter, Bartender, and handled most of the banquets. Man, the other employees hated me at first. Lol.

I was even offered a management position a few months later, but turned it down bc restaurant management is hell on earth, IMO.

But I have no business doing any of that. Ok, thanks for that pearl of wisdom.

Let me ask you a question? What % does a tip start at in your opinion?

Youve just got a horrible attitude and being one of "those" people who would mess with someones order for not graciously giving you a 20% tip on their last trip in is bush league.
15% is a good starting point

[Mister 7]

Originally Posted by slo1318

Youve just got a horrible attitude and being one of "those" people who would mess with someones order for not graciously giving you a 20% tip on their last trip in is bush league.
15% is a good starting point

Actually, THIS is what I said:

Originally Posted by AJT123

Certainly your prerogative, but I would advise AGAINST going back to any restaurant where you stiff, or leave a terrible tip.

Don't take my advice, go back and get recognized, (or worst case, have the same server) and I guarantee something awful will be done to your food/drinks, or at best, you'll receive terrible service.

I don't demand a 20% tip, but I sure expect it when my tables always got excellent service from me.

[slo1318]

Originally Posted by AJT123

Actually, THIS is what I said:

I don't demand a 20% tip, but I sure expect it when my tables always got excellent service from me.

This is also what you said:

Originally Posted by AJT123

Stiff me when I did my job very well, then come back next time, and I'll make sure your food is, .... wait, I'll just end it right there. ::Hocks Lougie::

You dont demand it but you sure expect it! Please.....just because you think you gave excellent service doesnt mean your customer felt that way...