20% tip is too generous for CA's minimum wage waitstaff (San Francisco: rent, houses)

[Mister 7]

Originally Posted by slo1318

This is also what you said:


You dont demand it but you sure expect it! Please.....just because you think you gave excellent service doesnt mean your customer felt that way...

Give my ex bosses a call and ask them who their senior staff was, and who their top three servers were.

They'll tell you how people would wait an additional 30 mins (on top of a 45 min wait) just for my section. Whenever the local celebrities, big wigs, VIPs came in, I was at the top of the list on who got to take care of them.

Said bosses practically cried when I left and moved away.

We can continue this discussion then. Want the #?

[slo1318]

Originally Posted by AJT123

Give my ex bosses a call and ask them who their senior staff was, and who their top three servers were.

They'll tell you how people would wait an additional 30 mins (on top of a 45 min wait) just for my section. Whenever the local celebrities, big wigs, VIPs came in, I was at the top of the list on who got to take care of them.

Said bosses practically cried when I left and moved away.

We can continue this discussion then. Want the #?

It doesnt mean anything to me, you dont have to prove anything to me. Its your attitude I took offense to. (which you deleted from the reply). Are you ashamed you said that?

[Mister 7]

Originally Posted by slo1318

It doesnt mean anything to me, you dont have to prove anything to me. Its your attitude I took offense to. (which you deleted from the reply). Are you ashamed you said that?

That was a mistake (removing whatever), and I don't even know specifically what you're talking about. I'm not ashamed of anything I've said.

What is so bad about my attitude? That I voiced that it's well known that 20% is the standard (15% is mediocre, but acceptable, though still not enough) for good service, and that, as someone who lived off tips for years, am opinionated about it??

Grown thicker skin, pal. I'm not here to offend anyone. You think I'm mean? Good lord, you obviously haven't spent much time on here nor read other threads where it's all-out flaming war. I'm the nicest "mean person" on here compared to any of that.

Originally Posted by slo1318

It doesnt mean anything to me, you dont have to prove anything to me.

Ok, so I logically explained my piece (about how I give outstanding servince and was great at my job, and EXPECTED 20%), and you brush it off by saying you need no proof, when I offered it right there.

I should print and scan the letter of reccomendation my old boss gave me on here just for you, though I'm too lazy to mess with pic posting on here and deleting names, etc.

I'm an excellent server. I damm well EXPECT a 20% tip for busting my arse off for people.

[slo1318]

....more attitude.
You are fortunate if someone gives you 20% tips. 15 is perfectly acceptable. 18 is great.

[Mister 7]

Originally Posted by slo1318

....more attitude.
You are fortunate if someone gives you 20% tips. 15 is perfectly acceptable. 18 is great.

No, it's not.

20% is the standard for good/great service (I always tip 20-25% if the service is good, 30+% for excellent).

18% is ok, but annoying. It's like leaving $2 on a $15 check instead of $3, or $8 tip on $50 check instead of $10 tip to make it nice and round. God forbid add just one more precious dollar or two and not be an annoying, stingy tipper. (I realize my percentages are wrong there; just making a point.)

15% is straight out of the general rule in my Granparents' generation (I'm 33) and is NOT a good tip in any way, shape, or form, assuming you had good service.

The regulars who come in with that BS 15% regular tipper, they're the table I care the LEAST about, and 95% of other servers most likely would agree here.

Keep tipping 15% and wonder why your service isn't great everywhere, especially at places you regularly frequent.

I'm agreeing to disagree here.

[slo1318]

Originally Posted by AJT123

No, it's not.

20% is the standard for good/great service (I always tip 20-25% if the service is good, 30+% for excellent).

18% is ok, but annoying. It's like leaving $2 on a $15 check instead of $3, or $8 tip on $50 check instead of $10 tip to make it nice and round. God forbid add just one more precious dollar or two and not be an annoying, stingy tipper. (I realize my percentages are wrong there; just making a point.)

15% is straight out of the general rule in my Granparents' generation (I'm 33) and is NOT a good tip in any way, shape, or form, assuming you had good service.

The regulars who come in with that BS 15% regular tipper, they're the table I care the LEAST about, and 95% of other servers most likely would agree here.

Keep tipping 15% and wonder why your service isn't great everywhere, especially at places you regularly frequent.

I'm agreeing to disagree here.

Thats fine, but the attitude is to strong. Id like a more low key server who is all about service, understanding that not everyone is going to tip 20% and thats ok. Your service shouldnt alter at all.




30%! thats insane unless you're cooking the food to!

[Mister 7]

Originally Posted by slo1318

I would only tip 20% at a very top notch place with top notch active service.

So if you go to The Olive Garden and have a wonderful, knowledgeable, personable server whom you'll remember bc he/she/the service was that good, they don't deserve 20% just because it's not Fleming's? Only expensive places' servers get 20%?

Originally Posted by slo1318

At an average restaurant 12-15%

So now we're down to 12% at an "Average restaurant." I feel sorry for anyone who works at a TGI Fridays, Red Lobster, etc. that has to serve you. People don't have to work off Canon Drive in BH to be great servers.

Originally Posted by slo1318

At a minimal service place (counter order type)...couple of bucks max.

Do you mean a diner like Waffle House? No, they deserve their 20% also.

What does the quality of place have to do with what the servers (assuming good service) get for taking care of you?

Also, I might add, in 95% of restaurants, servers give a good chunk of their tips to tipout for the bussers, bartenders, hostesses, etc. So that $3.60 (12%) tip on a $30 check you give at Olive Garden or wherever, the server keeps about $2.50 for that, if even that much.

When a server gets stiffed on a tip, they are LITERALLY PAYING THEIR OWN MONEY to serve those customers.

[slo1318]

First: you dont DESERVE anything. You get what you work for. You are not entitled to 20% tips in all cases.

Second: yes, tips vary depending on where, circumstances etc

Third: Im talking about counter service, chow line. Tipping is getting just a bit outta hand, when Chipotle flips the screen of an ipad around so you can be shamed into tipping. Thats wrong.

I never mentioned 'stiffing' anyone of a tip, unless you use that term for any tip less than 20%!?

[bigdumbgod]

Originally Posted by AJT123

What, do you think I just greeted my tables with a "FU", slammed their plates down and then kicked them out the door?

The more this thread continues the more likely this scenario appears.

[Mister 7]

Originally Posted by slo1318

First: you dont DESERVE anything. You get what you work for. You are not entitled to 20% tips in all cases.

Yes, and what I WORK FOR is giving excellent service, and expect my 20%. This is just back and forth, and I don't even think we are talking about the same thing. THE STANDARD FOR GOOD SERVICE IS 20%, PERIOD. ASK ANYONE IN THE SERVICE INDUSTRY!!!

Originally Posted by slo1318

Second: yes, tips vary depending on where, circumstances etc

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, you had a great server. What "circumstances" do you speak of?

Again, why does someone who gives great service at Outback not deserve 20% just because it's not a 4-5 star restaurant, in which case you actually would leave 20%? This logic baffles me.

Originally Posted by slo1318

Third: Im talking about counter service, chow line. Tipping is getting just a bit outta hand, when Chipotle flips the screen of an ipad around so you can be shamed into tipping. Thats wrong.

This is one instance where I semi-agree with you. I don't think you're "shamed into tipping", and I still always do tip, but yes, that is annoying. At the "chow line" places, yeah. It's like they're putting you on the spot. They should have left it like it was with just a tip jar.

Originally Posted by slo1318

I never mentioned 'stiffing' anyone of a tip, unless you use that term for any tip less than 20%!?

Wasn't mentioning you; just trying to explain how tipping and tipouts work. The 12% you leave, the server doesn't get all of that.

Say you have a 8% tipout of your sales. A 5-top of rednecks come in, run you around, aren't nice, and then stiff you on a bill of $100.

You just paid $8 for that. YOU paid THEM to eat there!!!!!

So say you and your spouse come in later, and indulge a bit and spend $100 on lunch. If you leave your 12%, that's $12. Minus said $8 from an 8% tipout on their sales. That would leave them with $4. Do you see what I'm saying?